Differences between equations of SHM

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The discussion revolves around the differences between the equations of simple harmonic motion (SHM), specifically why the displacement in the y-direction is represented by a sine function and the displacement in the x-direction by a cosine function. Participants explore the implications of these choices in the context of circular motion and initial conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the reason behind using sine for the y function and cosine for the x function in SHM equations.
  • One participant suggests that for circular motion, the two components must be out of phase, implying that using both sine or both cosine would lead to oscillation along the line y=x.
  • Another participant notes that the second derivative of sine is negative cosine, which relates to the acceleration being proportional to displacement in SHM.
  • It is mentioned that the two functions differ by a phase of π/2, which corresponds to different initial conditions of the system.
  • Some participants assert that sine and cosine functions are interchangeable due to the phase shift φ, indicating that the choice of function is not fundamentally significant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of using sine versus cosine in SHM equations. While some argue that the choice is interchangeable due to phase differences, others emphasize the implications of initial conditions and the mathematical properties of the functions.

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There are unresolved aspects regarding the dependence on initial conditions and the implications of phase differences in the context of SHM and circular motion. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the fundamental reasons for the choice of sine and cosine functions.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and enthusiasts of physics, particularly those studying simple harmonic motion and its mathematical representations.

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Why is it that ## y = A\sin (\omega t + \phi) ## whereas ## x = A\cos (\omega t + \phi) ##?

Why is it that the y function is a sine wave, whereas the x function a cosine wave? I'm sorry if this question sounds ridiculous.
 
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is this circular motion? for SHM it doesn't matter if you use cosine or sine. for circular motion it's because the two components have to be out of phase. if you used both cosine or both sine, then the particle would oscillate back and forth on the line y=x
 
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castor said:
Why is it that y=Asin(ωt+ϕ)
because y'' = acceleration and for SHM i needs to be directly proportional to -y(displacement)
and it happens to be that second derivative of sine is ''-''cosine !
otherwise both equations are fundamentally correct
 
If you plot the 2 solutions you will see that they differ by a phase of pi / 2 . This corresponds to a difference in starting position, or the location of the "bob" when you start the clock. So mathematically these are 2 solutions to the same differential equation resulting from different initial conditions.
 
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Shreyas Samudra said:
because y'' = acceleration and for SHM i needs to be directly proportional to -y(displacement)
and it happens to be that second derivative of sine is ''-''cosine !
otherwise both equations are fundamentally correct

The same can be said for the x function; x" = - acceleration, isn't it?

## x = A\cos (\omega t + \phi) ##
## x' = - A\omega\sin (\omega t + \phi) ##
## x'' = - A\omega^2\cos (\omega t + \phi) ##
## x'' = - \omega^2 (A\cos (\omega t + \phi)) ##
## x'' = - \omega^2 x ##

No, the only thing I'm asking is that why is the y function a sine wave, and the x component a cosine wave? Is it, as Integral said, just an example of the two functions having two initial conditions that have a phase difference of ##\frac{\pi}{2}##?
 
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castor said:
Why is it that y=Asin(ωt+ϕ) y = A\sin (\omega t + \phi) whereas x=Acos(ωt+ϕ) x = A\cos (\omega t + \phi) ?

There is no relation between the two equations - first is along y-axis direction and other along x-axis .

If your question is why one uses cosine and other sine , the cos and sin are interchangeable due to the phase φ by + - π/2 ( changing φ at the same time ) .
 
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Qwertywerty said:
There is no relation between the two equations - first is along y-axis direction and other along x-axis .

If your question is why one uses cosine and other sine , the cos and sin are interchangeable due to the phase φ by + - π/2 ( changing φ at the same time ) .
Right, thanks for clearing that up! :)
 

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