Differentiability and convergence.

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The discussion revolves around the properties of a differentiable function f defined on the interval (a, infinity) and the implications of its limits as x approaches infinity. Participants are tasked with proving that if f(x) approaches a real number A and its derivative f'(x) approaches a real number B, then B must equal 0.

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  • Participants explore the application of the Mean Value Theorem (MVT) in the context of limits approaching infinity. There are discussions about the definitions of limits and how they relate to the behavior of the derivative. Questions arise regarding how to effectively apply the MVT given the constraints of the problem.

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Several participants have provided insights and attempted to clarify the application of the MVT. There is a progression in reasoning, with some participants suggesting specific intervals and conditions to consider. While there is no explicit consensus, the discussion is moving towards a productive exploration of the problem.

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Participants are navigating the challenge of applying the MVT in a scenario where x approaches infinity, raising questions about the definitions and implications of limits in this context.

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Let f:(a,infinity)-->R (reals) be differentiable and let A and B be real numbers. Prove that if f(x)-->A and f '(x)-->B as x --> infinity, then B=0.

I would guess that the mean value theorem may be needed but I am not sure how to use it considering that we're dealing with x --> infinity.
 
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There's no such number as 'infinity' to put into the mean value theorem, sure. But if f(x)->A then clearly f'(x) must become very small as x becomes large, right? Write down the definition of f(x)->A, f'(x)->B. It means there is some number N such that for all x>N etc etc. Pick an interval in the range x>N and apply the MVT. Just TRY it.
 
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by drawing, I do understand what's going on, but writing the proof I get confused, this is what I've got so far:
f(x)-->A means for e>0 given, there is some number N such that for all x>N, we have |f(x)-A|<e
f '(x)-->B means there is some number M such that for all x>M, we have |f '(x)-B|<e

Now I let (x1,x2) C (N, inf.), f diff, and continuous, MVT applies and we get some z in (x1,x2) such that f(x2)-f(x1)/(x2-x1)=f '(z)
Now z > N implies that |f(z)-A|< e.

Now I don't see how to proceed :(
 
Ok. Pick an N big enough that both |f(x)-A|<e and |f'(x)-B|<e for x>N. Let's just look at the interval [N,N+1]. |f(N+1)-f(N)|<2e, right? MVT says there is a c in [N,N+1] such that f'(c)=f(N+1)-f(N). But |f'(c)-B|<e. Do you see where this is going?
 
oh yeah, |f'(c)-B|<e, so -e<f'(c)-B<e but f'(c)=f(N+1)-f(N)<2e, hence B<f'(c)+e<3e.
Thus, since e was arbitrary, B=0.
 
Right. |B|<3e. All you have to do is fix on some definite interval to apply the MVT.
 
right, thanks a lot.
 

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