Differentiability in an open and closed intervals

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of differentiability of functions in closed and open intervals, specifically exploring whether a function can be differentiable a certain number of times in a closed interval and more times in an open interval. The conversation references Taylor's theorem and examines specific examples to illustrate the points raised.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the possibility of a function being differentiable n times in a closed interval and (n+1) times in an open interval, suggesting it relates to differentiability at endpoints.
  • Another participant provides the example of the function ##f(x) = x^{4/3}##, noting it is twice differentiable on the open interval ##(0,1)## but only once at the endpoint ##x=0##.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the differentiability of the function at the endpoints, specifically questioning whether it is twice differentiable in the closed interval ##[0,1]##.
  • There is a discussion about the second derivative of the function, with one participant stating it as ##f(x)=4/9x^{-2/3}## and recognizing that it cannot be defined at ##x=0##, which contributes to the function's differentiability status.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit uncertainty regarding the differentiability of the function at the endpoints, with some agreeing on the limitations of differentiability at those points while others seek clarification on the definitions and implications.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the definitions of differentiability at endpoints and the implications of the second derivative's behavior at those points. The discussion also highlights the importance of limits from both sides in determining differentiability.

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Is there an f(x) which is differentiable n times in a closed interval and (n+1) times in an open interval? I think I saw this in a paper related to Taylor's theorem (could be something else though). It didn't make sense to me, how can something be differentiable more in an interval that contains two less numbers? Is this something to do with the fact that a function might not be differentiable at the two end points of a closed interval because it does have the limit function coming from two sides? (a+0 and a-0) Sorry the post got long :)
 
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Start with something simpler: ##f(x) = x^{4/3}## restricted to ##[0,1]##. This function can be differentiated twice on ##(0,1)##, but only once at x=0. Can you now find a function which does something similar at both end points?
 
Umm... I don't really understand, isn't that function twice differentiable in the closed interval [0,1]?
 
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Umm... I don't really understand, isn't that function twice differentiable in the closed interval [0,1]?


What is its second derivative? And can you evaluate it in ##0##?
 
The second derivative of ##f(x)=x^4/3## is ##f(x)=4/9x^-2/3## right?
Oh is it because it can't be defined at ##x=0## that it's not differentiable at that point? Making it only twice differentiable in the open interval [0,1]?
 

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