Differentiability of function at only 0

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The discussion revolves around the differentiability of a piecewise function defined as \( f(x) = x^2 \) for rational \( x \) and \( f(x) = 0 \) for irrational \( x \). The original poster seeks to prove that this function is only differentiable at \( x = 0 \).

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the limit definition of the derivative and its implications for differentiability at \( x = 0 \). There are attempts to analyze the behavior of the function as \( h \) approaches 0 through rational and irrational sequences. Questions are raised about the continuity of the function and its relationship to differentiability.

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Some participants have provided insights into the limit process for \( f'(0) \) and the implications of continuity on differentiability. There is ongoing exploration regarding the proof of differentiability only at \( x = 0 \), with various interpretations and approaches being discussed.

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Participants note that a function must be continuous at a point to be differentiable there, raising questions about the continuity of the function at points other than \( x = 0 \).

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1. function is x^2 if x is rational 0 if x is irrational. I need to prove that function is only differentiable at 0.
2. f'(x)=lim(h->0)=(f(x+h)-f(x))/h
3. fruitless attempt-----> So f'(0)=lim(h->0) f(h)/h=lim(h->0)x since it's 0 when irrational and x when rational, 0 when irrational, x=0. thanks.
 
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attempt attempt! I'm only letting you know ahead of time b/c when someone who can actually help you reads your post and sees no attempt, they'll say the same thing I'm telling you right now. so I'm saving you time :-]
 
helpmeppl said:
1. function is x^2 if x is rational 0 if x is irrational. I need to prove that function is only differentiable at 0.



2. f'(x)=lim(h->0)=(f(x+h)-f(x))/h
This is, indeed, the expression for the function value of f' at some particular value x.
Insofar as if it exists.

How, in particular, does it look if x=0?

That is, how must f'(0) look like?

IF f'(0) exists, then, since f(0)=0, we must have:
[tex]f'(0)=\lim_{h\to{0}}\frac{f(h)}{h}[/tex]

Now, to make some headway:
Consider a sequence of RATIONAL numbers h converging upon 0; what is the limit of f(h)/h then? Does such a limit exist?

Make a similar converging sequence consisting solely of irrationals h. What is now the limit of f(h)/h?


Can you conclude anything from this?
 
that proves that the function is differentiable when x=0, but how can i prove that that's the only x that satisfies f's differentiability. thanks.
 
for the proof that it's only differentiable at 0, can proving that the function is not continuous everywhere except zero sufficient?
 
helpmeppl said:
for the proof that it's only differentiable at 0, can proving that the function is not continuous everywhere except zero sufficient?
Certainly; a function cannot be differentiable at any point upon which it is discontinuous.

This follows from the fact that the numerator in the limit expression for the derivative MUST go to zero in order for the fraction not to diverge.

But that the numerator must go to zero, i.e [tex]\lim_{h\to{0}}f(x+h)-f(x)=0[/tex] is equivalent to requiring the function to be continuous at x.
 

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