Differential equation: 1st order

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The discussion centers around finding an exact solution to the first-order differential equation dy/dx = -x - y. Participants explore both analytical and numerical approaches to understand the behavior of the solution as x approaches large values, with a focus on modeling and justification of results.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the existence of an exact solution and expresses the need for analytical work to understand the behavior of y as x grows large.
  • Another participant proposes an exact solution y(x) = -∫xe^xdx/e^x, suggesting that the integral evaluates to y = 1 - x.
  • A subsequent reply corrects the previous claim by stating that the general solution should include a constant of integration, presenting it as y = Ce^(-x) + 1 - x.
  • Another participant suggests solving the homogeneous equation y' + y = 0 and considering a particular solution of the form y = Ax + B, indicating a method involving the Laplace transform.
  • This method is reiterated by another participant, who also mentions the use of an integrating factor as an alternative approach to solving the equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views on the exact solution and methods for solving the differential equation. There is no consensus on a single solution or approach, as different participants suggest various methods and forms of the solution.

Contextual Notes

Some participants' claims depend on the inclusion of constants of integration, and there are unresolved aspects regarding the integration process and the specific forms of particular solutions.

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is there an exact solution to

dy/dx = -x - y

i am doing a modelling, and just happen to get stumbled into this form of pde.

i do it numerically, but i also want to know how y behave as x approaches large value. i just need to present some analytical work to justify what happen as x grows large.

thanks.
 
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The EDO is linear the exact solution is

[tex]y(x)=\frac{-\int x e^x dx}{e^x}[/tex]
 
P.S.

[tex]\int xe^xdx = e^x(x-1)[/tex]

So y=1-x
 
Actually, the general solution is y= Ce-x+ 1- x. You forgot to include the constant of integration.
 
Solve the homogeneous equation [tex]y' + y = 0[/tex], then consider [tex]y = Ax+B[/tex] as the particular solution. When you've got [tex]\mathcal{L}y = f(x)[/tex] where f(x) is an n'th order polynomial, trying [tex]y = a_{n}x^{n} + ... + a_{0}[/tex] gives the particular solution.
 
AlphaNumeric said:
Solve the homogeneous equation [tex]y' + y = 0[/tex], then consider [tex]y = Ax+B[/tex] as the particular solution. When you've got [tex]\mathcal{L}y = f(x)[/tex] where f(x) is an n'th order polynomial, trying [tex]y = a_{n}x^{n} + ... + a_{0}[/tex] gives the particular solution.
That's one way to do it. Since this is a first order equation, it's also easy to find an integrating factor, which is what quasar987 did.
 

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