Differential equation 5y4y' = x2y' + 2xy

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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation of the form 5y4y' = x2y' + 2xy. Participants are exploring methods to simplify and solve the equation, focusing on exact equations and potential integrals.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to simplify the equation into a form suitable for exact equations. Some participants discuss the relationship between the differential form and potential functions, while others suggest integrating components and comparing results.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing guidance on differentiating potential functions and integrating terms. There is a recognition of the need to include constants of integration in the final expression, and some participants are exploring a different differential equation, indicating a branching discussion.

Contextual Notes

One participant notes that the second differential equation presented is not exact, prompting a search for an integrating factor. There is also a suggestion that starting a new thread for the new problem would be more appropriate.

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Homework Statement


Find the general solution of:

5y4y' = x2y' + 2xy


2. The attempt at a solution

Well I've so far tried to simplify by making the equation really:

(5y4-x2)y' - 2xy = 0

Now this will let us use exact equations such as:

N(x,y)= 5y4-x2
and
M(x,y)= -2xy

since ∂N=∂M

After this though I am not sure what to do.
 
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If you have ##\Phi(x,y)=0##, when you differentiate it, you get
$$\frac{\partial\Phi}{\partial x}dx + \frac{\partial\Phi}{\partial y}dy = 0.$$ Compare that to what you have
$$(-2xy)\,dx + (5y^4-x^2)\,dy = 0.$$ How would you (partially) recover ##\Phi## from M(x,y) or N(x,y)?
 


vela said:
If you have ##\Phi(x,y)=0##, when you differentiate it, you get
$$\frac{\partial\Phi}{\partial x}dx + \frac{\partial\Phi}{\partial y}dy = 0.$$ Compare that to what you have
$$(-2xy)\,dx + (5y^4-x^2)\,dy = 0.$$ How would you (partially) recover ##\Phi## from M(x,y) or N(x,y)?

I then took the integral of M(x,y) thus giving me f-x2y

Correct or no?
 


That's good, so you have ##\Phi=-x^2y + f(y)##. Now differentiate that with respect to y and compare the result to N(x,y).
 


vela said:
That's good, so you have ##\Phi=-x^2y + f(y)##. Now differentiate that with respect to y and compare the result to N(x,y).

finding the solution to the f(y) gives us y5 then plugging this into the integral part we get a solution of:

F(x,y) = y5-x2y

Is that it?
 
Could you help with another? The differential equation is:

y' = 2(xy' + y)y3
 
Almost. You just need to include the constant of integration.
 
vela said:
Almost. You just need to include the constant of integration.

F(x,y) = y5-x2y + C ?
 
Yup, that's right, and F(x,y) should be set to 0. Remember you're trying to find y(x), not F(x,y). F(x,y)=0 specifies y implicitly as a function of x.
 
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vela said:
Yup, that's right, and F(x,y) should be set to 0. Remember you're trying to find y(x), not F(x,y). F(x,y)=0 specifies y implicitly as a function of x.

Thanks! Could you help with the other equation I posted? This one I don't even have a clue how to start
 
  • #11
You could start by checking if it's exact.
 
  • #12
No it's not, I got

N=1-2xy3
and
M=-2y4

which their partials don't equal each other
 
  • #13
In that case, try finding an integrating factor that'll make it exact.
 
  • #14
astrofunk21 said:
Could you help with another? The differential equation is:

y' = 2(xy' + y)y3

It would have been better to start a new thread for this new problem.

(xy' + y) is d(xy)/dx .

See if you can use that.
 

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