Differential equation: distinct, real roots

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The discussion revolves around solving a second-order linear homogeneous differential equation with constant coefficients, specifically focusing on the characteristic equation derived from the equation 9y'' - 12y' + 4y = 0. Participants are exploring the implications of having distinct versus repeated roots in relation to the general solution.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of the "distinct, real roots" theorem and the "repeated roots" theorem, questioning how to proceed when only one root is found. There is confusion about whether to apply the distinct roots approach or the repeated roots approach given the nature of the roots derived from the characteristic equation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into recognizing repeated roots through the discriminant of the quadratic formula. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of these roots on the general solution, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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Participants are navigating the definitions and conditions for distinct and repeated roots, with some uncertainty about the correct approach to take based on the roots obtained from the quadratic formula.

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Homework Statement


Find the general solution by using either the "distinct, real roots" theorem or the "repeated roots" theorem.

9y'' - 12y' + 4y = 0


Homework Equations


"distinct, real roots" theorem - "If our roots are real & distinct, we should have solutions y1=er1x and y2=erxx, so y(x) = c1er1x + c2r2x is the general solution.
"repeated roots" theorem - "If our roots are r1=r2, then the general solution is y(x) = (c1+c2x)er1x.


The Attempt at a Solution


9y'' - 12y' + 4y = 0
9r2 - 12r + 4 = 0
Using the quadratic formula, I got r = 2/3.
I'm confused because I only have one r. For the "distinct, real roots" theorem, the general solution is y(x) = c1er1x + c2r2x, so what do I do with just my one r? Do I just leave out the second part of the general solution? Or do I use the "repeated roots" theorem since I only have one r and that general solution only includes one r?
 
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mbradar2 said:

Homework Statement


Find the general solution by using either the "distinct, real roots" theorem or the "repeated roots" theorem.

9y'' - 12y' + 4y = 0


Homework Equations


"distinct, real roots" theorem - "If our roots are real & distinct, we should have solutions y1=er1x and y2=erxx, so y(x) = c1er1x + c2r2x is the general solution.
"repeated roots" theorem - "If our roots are r1=r2, then the general solution is y(x) = (c1+c2x)er1x.


The Attempt at a Solution


9y'' - 12y' + 4y = 0
9r2 - 12r + 4 = 0
Using the quadratic formula, I got r = 2/3.
If you factored the equation above, you would get 9(x - 2/3)(x - 2/3) = 0. There are two roots. Are they distinct?
mbradar2 said:
I'm confused because I only have one r. For the "distinct, real roots" theorem, the general solution is y(x) = c1er1x + c2r2x, so what do I do with just my one r? Do I just leave out the second part of the general solution? Or do I use the "repeated roots" theorem since I only have one r and that general solution only includes one r?
 
Oh. I wasn't sure how to factor it so I just used the quadratic formula. So in order to get a correct answer, in this case the "repeated roots" theorem, I can't use the quadratic formula but have to factor?
 
No, you can use the quadratic formula - you just need to recognize when you are getting repeated roots. In this case, with the characteristic equation being 9r^2 - 12r + 4 = 0, the quadratic formula gives
r = (12 +/- sqrt(144 - 144))/18, so you have r = 2/3 +/- 0. So there's a repeated root, which happens whenever the discriminant (the part in the radical) is zero.
 
Ah, I see. Thanks so much for your help! :)
 

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