Differential Equation, finding values

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The discussion revolves around finding values of ω for which the function y=cos(ωt) satisfies the differential equation d²y/dt² + 81y = 0. Participants are exploring the derivatives of the function and the implications of their calculations on the problem.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the process of finding the first and second derivatives of y=cos(ωt) and question the correctness of their calculations. There are attempts to manipulate the resulting equations, with some participants expressing confusion about the implications of their algebraic transformations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the differentiation process, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach to the problem yet.

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There appears to be a recurring issue with participants dropping factors during differentiation, leading to confusion in their subsequent calculations. Additionally, there is a transition to a new problem involving the function y=x²+k and its relation to another differential equation, indicating a shift in focus within the thread.

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Question:
Find the values of ω for which y=cosωt satisfies d^2y/dt^2 +81y = 0
where ω1<ω2


I guess I'm just having a lot of problem even figuring out how to do these at all. Since it's a second degree problem, I found the derivative of y=cosωt, which is -sin(ωt)*ω, and I found the derivative of that to be cos(ωt)*ω. I then set ωcos(ωt)=81cos(ωt).
Am I going about this right at all?
 
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Welcome to PF, KCEWMG! :smile:

You're doing fine, except that you dropped an omega factor from your 1st to your 2nd derivative.
After correcting that, divide both sides of your equation by cos wt.
 
Alright!

So instead of what I had, it is instead -sin(tω)-tωcos(ωt)=81cos(ωt)
Then I get the -tan(ωt)-tω=81
This might be basic algebra, but where do I go from here? I don't think that I can take an ω out because it's the tangent of ω, right?
 
Errr... you have mangled your 2nd derivative now, I'm afraid.
You almost had it right before.

What did you do to get the derivative of -sin(ωt)*ω?
 
Well, I did it again and got a new answer...
After using the product rule, I got ((cos(ωt)ω)ω-sin(ωt)=81cos(ωt)
Which gets me ω^2=81+sin(ωt)
Right?
 
Let's focus on the derivative first.
Since you're differentiating with respect to t, the derivative of ω is not 1 but 0.
 
OH! So the final answer is positive and negative 9!
I understand. Thank you!
 
True! :smile:
 
Alright, the next problem is to find the values of K for which y=x^2+k is a solution to the differential equation 2y-xy'=14.
After that, I figured that 2(x^2+k)-x(2x+k)=14.
I then distributed and solved that k = 14/(2-x).
I put K into the equation y=x^2+(14/2-x).
After doing all of this, I got that y=0.
Now what?
 
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Let's focus on the derivative of y first.
You seem to have made the same mistake as in the previous problem...
 

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