Differential Equation- Undetermined Coefficient

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The discussion revolves around finding a particular solution to the differential equation 2 y'' - 1 y' - 1 y = -1 t^2 + 2 t + 3 e^{4 t}. Participants are exploring the method of undetermined coefficients in the context of differential equations.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are attempting various forms for the particular solution, including polynomial and exponential terms. There is a focus on determining the correct coefficients through substitution into the differential equation.

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Multiple attempts have been made to solve the problem, with participants expressing frustration over not arriving at the correct solution. Some guidance has been offered regarding verifying the particular solution against the original equation, and checking for consistency in the problem statement.

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Participants mention repeated attempts and express uncertainty about the correctness of their solutions. There is a suggestion to ensure that the problem statement has been interpreted correctly, indicating potential confusion or miscommunication regarding the task.

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Homework Statement


Find a particular solution to the differential equation
2 y'' - 1 y' - 1 y = -1 t^2 + 2 t + 3 e^{4 t} .


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The Attempt at a Solution


I have attempted this problem many times. I think I am having trouble assuming what the general form is.

assume yp=(At+B)^2+Ce^(4t)=(A^2)(t^2)+2ABt+(B^2)+Ce^(4t)
yp'=2(A^2)t + 2AB + 4Ce^(4t)
yp''=2(A^2)+16Ce^(4t)

So, 2yp''-yp'-yp= 4(A^2)+32Ce^(4t)-2(A^2)t-2AB-4Ce^(4t)-(A^2)(t^2)-2ABt-(B^2)-Ce^(4t)

So, 27Ce^(4t)=3e^(4t) => C=(1/9)
-(A^2)(t^2)=-t^2 => A=1
t(-2(A^2)+2AB) = 2 => B=2
4(A^2)-2AB-(B^2)=0 ... but it doesn't work.



I have tried this problem multiple times in multiple different ways this being my last attempt. It's for an online homework and I can't seem to get the right answer, although I feel like I do it right every time...
 
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jrsweet said:

Homework Statement


Find a particular solution to the differential equation
2 y'' - 1 y' - 1 y = -1 t^2 + 2 t + 3 e^{4 t} .

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution


I have attempted this problem many times. I think I am having trouble assuming what the general form is.

assume yp=(At+B)^2+Ce^(4t)=(A^2)(t^2)+2ABt+(B^2)+Ce^(4t)
Try this instead for your particular solution:
yp = A + Bt + Ct2 + De4t
jrsweet said:
yp'=2(A^2)t + 2AB + 4Ce^(4t)
yp''=2(A^2)+16Ce^(4t)

So, 2yp''-yp'-yp= 4(A^2)+32Ce^(4t)-2(A^2)t-2AB-4Ce^(4t)-(A^2)(t^2)-2ABt-(B^2)-Ce^(4t)

So, 27Ce^(4t)=3e^(4t) => C=(1/9)
-(A^2)(t^2)=-t^2 => A=1
t(-2(A^2)+2AB) = 2 => B=2
4(A^2)-2AB-(B^2)=0 ... but it doesn't work.

I have tried this problem multiple times in multiple different ways this being my last attempt. It's for an online homework and I can't seem to get the right answer, although I feel like I do it right every time...
For your general solution, you'll need the particular solution + the solution to the homogeneous problem 2y'' - y' - y = 0. The solution to the homogeneous problem will be yh = c1er1t + c2er2t for some constants r1 and r2 that you need to find.
 
I tried that as well:

yp=A+Bt+Ct^2+De^(4t)
yp'=B+2Ct+4De^(4t)
yp''=2C+16De^(4t)

2yp''-yp'-yp= 4C+32De^(4t)-B-2Ct-4De^(4t)-A-Bt-Ct^2-De^(4t)
= 27De^(4t)-Ct^2-2Ct-Bt-A-B-4C

So, 27De^(4t)=3e^(4t)
D= (1/9)

-Ct^2=-t^2
C=1

-2Ct-Bt=2t
-2(1)-B=2
B=-4

-A-B-4C=0
-A+4-4(1)=0
A=0

SOOoooo... yp=t^2-4t+(1/9)e^(3t)

What is wrong with thisss?! I don't get it. It's getting frustrating.

Someone shed some light if you could.
 
jrsweet said:
I tried that as well:

yp=A+Bt+Ct^2+De^(4t)
yp'=B+2Ct+4De^(4t)
yp''=2C+16De^(4t)

2yp''-yp'-yp= 4C+32De^(4t)-B-2Ct-4De^(4t)-A-Bt-Ct^2-De^(4t)
= 27De^(4t)-Ct^2-2Ct-Bt-A-B-4C
This should be "+ 4C".

So, 27De^(4t)=3e^(4t)
D= (1/9)

-Ct^2=-t^2
C=1

-2Ct-Bt=2t
-2(1)-B=2
B=-4

-A-B-4C=0
-A+4-4(1)=0
A=0
-A- B+ 4C= 0
-A+ 4+ 4(1)= 0
A= 8

SOOoooo... yp=t^2-4t+(1/9)e^(3t)

What is wrong with thisss?! I don't get it. It's getting frustrating.

Someone shed some light if you could.
 
I already tried that answer as well... It's a no go. There must be a glitch in the system or something...
 
Then
1. Make sure the problem you worked is the same one that was given.
2. If it is, check your particular solution. It should be true that 2yp'' - yp' - y = -t2 + t + 3e4t. If this equation is an identity, then you have found what the problem asked for. If the system says different, then you have a good case to make that it is wrong. Assuming that the system gives an answer, you should then be able to show that its particular solution is NOT a solution of the given differential equation.
 

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