Differential Equations, Separable, Explicit Solution

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The discussion revolves around solving a separable differential equation of the form dy/dx = (2x)/(1+2y). Participants are attempting to find an explicit solution, as indicated by the original poster's reference to a book answer.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the process of separating variables and integrating both sides. There is mention of using the quadratic formula to express y in terms of x, with some uncertainty about handling the constant of integration. Questions arise regarding the initial condition and its impact on the solution.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on using the quadratic formula and checking the correctness of the solution. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the initial condition and the validity of the book's solution, with no consensus reached on the correctness of the answers presented.

Contextual Notes

One participant notes the absence of an initial condition in the original problem statement, which may affect the solution. The initial condition y(2) = 0 is later introduced, prompting further discussion about its role in determining the constant of integration.

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Homework Statement



Solve the differential equation, explicitly.

dy/dx = (2x)/(1+2y)

The answer given by the book is...

-1/2 + 1/2sqrt(2x - 2x^2 +4)

Homework Equations



Process for solving separable differential equations

The Attempt at a Solution



dy/dx = (2x)/(1+2y)

(1 + 2y)*dy = 2x*dx

∫(1+2y)*dy = ∫2x*dx

y + y^2 = x^2 + C

...

I seem to have solved it, implicitly, but I see no way of solving it explicitly.
 
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RyanTAsher said:

Homework Statement



Solve the differential equation, explicitly.

dy/dx = (2x)/(1+2y)

The answer given by the book is...

-1/2 + 1/2sqrt(2x - 2x^2 +4)

Homework Equations



Process for solving separable differential equations

The Attempt at a Solution



dy/dx = (2x)/(1+2y)

(1 + 2y)*dy = 2x*dx

∫(1+2y)*dy = ∫2x*dx

y + y^2 = x^2 + C

...

I seem to have solved it, implicitly, but I see no way of solving it explicitly.
Use the quadratic formula to solve for y in terms of x. Note that the quadratic formula will give you two solutions. Your book seems to have chosen one of the solutions arbitrarily.
 
Mark44 said:
Use the quadratic formula to solve for y in terms of x. Note that the quadratic formula will give you two solutions. Your book seems to have chosen one of the solutions arbitrarily.

Ughhh, I thought about that, I just never applied it... Thank you so much for your help!

P.S. Should I use the C(constant) as the C in the quadratic formula? or just leave it on the other side with the x?
 
Is there an initial condition in your problem that you didn't include? The book's solution doesn't include the constant, which makes me suspect that they are using information not shown here.
 
Mark44 said:
Is there an initial condition in your problem that you didn't include? The book's solution doesn't include the constant, which makes me suspect that they are using information not shown here.

Yes, I'm sorry I forgot to include the initial condition, y(2) = 0

P.S. Never mind, I figured out how to do the quadratic with this equation!
 
Also, are you sure you wrote the problem down correctly? I don't get the same solution as you showed.
 
Mark44 said:
Also, are you sure you wrote the problem down correctly? I don't get the same solution as you showed.

This is the solution I ended up attempting...dy/dx = (2x)/(1+2y)

(1 + 2y)*dy = 2x*dx

∫(1+2y)*dy = ∫2x*dx

y + y^2 = x^2 + C

(initial condition) 0 + 0 = 2^2 + C, C = -4

y^2 + y + (4 - x^2) = 0

y = (-1 +/- sqrt(1-4*(4-x^2)))/2(1)

y = (-1 +/- sqrt(x^2 - 15))/2

y = -(1/2) +/- (1/2)sqrt(x^2-15)The only problem I'm having is, how did they know to only use the one solution, instead of both of them, we didn't learn about intervals of validity or anything yet.
 
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You have what I got, which is different from the solution you posted. It's possible they have a typo in their answer, or even that it is just flat wrong. You can verify that your answer is correct by differentiating it to show the dy/dx = (2x)/(1 + 2y) is identically true. I checked the book's answer and it didn't satisfy the differential equation.
 

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