Differential Equations Verifying Implicit Solution

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The discussion revolves around verifying an implicit solution to a first-order differential equation involving the expression \(\frac{dX}{dt}=(X-1)(1-2X)\) and the logarithmic equation \(\ln(\frac{2X-1}{X-1})=t\).

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the differentiation of the logarithmic equation and its implications for verifying the differential equation. There are attempts to break down the differentiation process and clarify steps taken.

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Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the differentiation of the logarithmic expression, while others have shared their own attempts at differentiation. There is a recognition of the need for clarity in the differentiation process, and one participant indicates they have resolved their issue after receiving feedback.

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Participants are working under the constraints of verifying a solution without providing complete resolutions, focusing on the differentiation process and the implications of their findings.

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I'm given:

1. [tex]\frac{dX}{dt}=(X-1)(1-2X)[/tex]
2. [tex]ln(\frac{2X-1}{X-1})=t[/tex]

and asked to verify that it is an implicit solution to the first order DE given.

I successfully derived the second equation there to get:

[tex]\frac{dX}{dt}=\frac{-1}{(2X-1)(X-1)}[/tex]

So now what? I tried several things and got nowhere.
 
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Lancelot59 said:
I'm given:

1. [tex]\frac{dX}{dt}=(X-1)(1-2X)[/tex]
2. [tex]ln(\frac{2X-1}{X-1})=t[/tex]

and asked to verify that it is an implicit solution to the first order DE given.

I successfully derived the second equation there to get:

[tex]\frac{dX}{dt}=\frac{-1}{(2X-1)(X-1)}[/tex]

So now what? I tried several things and got nowhere.

Show us the work you did when you differentiated (not derived) the second equation.

Note that
[tex]ln(\frac{2X-1}{X-1})= ln(2X - 1) - ln(X - 1)[/tex]

so that should make differentiation a little easier.
 
Mark44 said:
Show us the work you did when you differentiated (not derived) the second equation.

Note that
[tex]ln(\frac{2X-1}{X-1})= ln(2X - 1) - ln(X - 1)[/tex]

so that should make differentiation a little easier.

I did break it up initially:
[tex]\frac{dx}{dt}=\frac{d}{dt}( ln(2x-1) - ln(x-1))[/tex]
[tex]\frac{dx}{dt}=\frac{1}{2x-1}(2) - \frac{1}{x-1}(1)=\frac{2}{2x-1} - \frac{1}{x-1}[/tex]
Then subtracting the fractions:
[tex]\frac{dx}{dt}= \frac{2(x-1) - (2x-1)}{(2x-1)(x-1)}=\frac{-1}{(2x-1)(x-1)}[/tex]
 
Lancelot59 said:
I did break it up initially:
[tex]\frac{dx}{dt}=\frac{d}{dt}( ln(2x-1) - ln(x-1))[/tex]
[tex]\frac{dx}{dt}=\frac{1}{2x-1}(2) - \frac{1}{x-1}(1)=\frac{2}{2x-1} - \frac{1}{x-1}[/tex]
Then subtracting the fractions:
[tex]\frac{dx}{dt}= \frac{2(x-1) - (2x-1)}{(2x-1)(x-1)}=\frac{-1}{(2x-1)(x-1)}[/tex]

Starting from your second equation, you have
[tex]t= ln(2x-1) - ln(x-1)[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow \frac{dt}{dt}=\frac{d}{dt}( ln(2x-1) - ln(x-1))[/tex]

You have to differentiate the right side implicitly, and then solve algebraically for dx/dt. Can you take it from here?
 
I solved it! Thanks for the tip.
 

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