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The forum discussion centers around finding an accessible differential geometry book suitable for courses in general relativity and quantum field theory. Participants recommend "The Geometry of Physics: An Introduction" for its foundational concepts, despite its detailed nature. The conversation highlights the need for a book that emphasizes calculations and geometrical intuition without delving into proofs. Additionally, the discussion touches on the importance of understanding basic concepts such as smooth manifolds, curves, and vector fields, which are essential for grasping more advanced topics in physics.

PREREQUISITES
  • Basic understanding of differential geometry concepts such as smooth manifolds and vector fields.
  • Familiarity with general relativity and quantum field theory principles.
  • Knowledge of coordinate calculus and its applications in physics.
  • Awareness of the differences between index notation and no-index notation in mathematical expressions.
NEXT STEPS
  • Research "Elementary Differential Geometry" for foundational concepts applicable to curves and surfaces.
  • Explore "Nakahara" for a deeper understanding of differential geometry in the context of physics.
  • Study the role of fibre bundles in quantum field theory to enhance comprehension of advanced topics.
  • Investigate the differences between covariant and contravariant transformations in mathematical physics.
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This discussion is beneficial for students and educators in physics, particularly those focusing on general relativity and quantum field theory, as well as anyone seeking to strengthen their understanding of differential geometry without the complexity of proofs.

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Hello,
does anyone know an (more or less) easy differential geometry book for courses in generall relativity and quantum field theory? I'm looking for a book without proofs that focus on how to do calculations and also gives some geometrical intuition. I already looked at The Geometry of Physics: An Introduction, but it was too detailed for me.
 
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Ulrico said:
Hello,
does anyone know an (more or less) easy differential geometry book ...
Yes.
... for courses in general relativity and quantum field theory?
No.
I'm looking for a book without proofs ...
No.
... that focus on how to do calculations and also gives some geometrical intuition.
Yes.
I already looked at The Geometry of Physics: An Introduction, but it was too detailed for me.
So for half of the requirements:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0387903577/?tag=pfamazon01-20
 
Ulrico said:
quantum field theory?

By the differential geometry of "quantum field theory", do you mean fibre bundles, i.e., principal bundles and associated vector bundles?
 
I don't know anything about quantum field theory yet, I just heard that diffenetial geometry is used in it ;-). I'd like to read a separate book on the mathematics beside an introduction to quantum field theory/general relativity.

@fresh_42 Thanks for your answer. It's not quite what I'm looking for right now, but I will save it for later if I want a deeper understanding of mathematics.
 
Ulrico said:
@fresh_42 Thanks for your answer. It's not quite what I'm looking for right now, but I will save it for later if I want a deeper understanding of mathematics.
It's actually rather basic with a lot of drawings. It introduces all basic ideas and concepts, from smooth manifolds to curves and vector fields, and a lot of coordinate calculus. It ends where the more abstract concepts, which @George Jones mentioned, begin with. However, it contains all the fundamentals as geodesics, parallel transport, curvature etc. which the abstract concepts are developed from. As an introduction to differential geometry it is pretty good.
 
I didn't found tensors in the index, that's why I thought it might be a bit over the top.
 
Yes, that's true. The excessive use of tensors, covariant and contravariant by physicists is mathematical nonsense. They are all vectors, transformations, multilinear forms, curvature, gradient or whatever, so mathematics doesn't just call them tensors unless they are part of a universal mapping problem. In so far, it is true. The book doesn't prepare you well for the notations used in physics. The objects are all there, but not their physical notation as "tensor"; coordinates are only used if necessary: vectors are written ##\mathbf{v}## and not ##v^i##.
 
fresh_42 said:
The objects are all there, but not their physical notation as "tensor"; coordinates are only used if necessary: vectors are written ##\mathbf{v}## and not ##v^i##.
Thanks for making that clear. I didn't really like the index notation anyway, so I will go and buy it :-)
 
Ulrico said:
I'm looking for a book without proofs that focus on how to do calculations and also gives some geometrical intuition.
Ulrico said:
I didn't really like the index notation anyway,
The no-index notation is more suitable for doing proofs, while the index notation is more suitable for doing calculations.
 
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A book on "elementary differential geometry" will cover the local and global differential geometry of curves and surfaces and is not going to get you very far towards the math required for GR, though it will help with intuition and mathematical maturity.
 
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I like Nakhara. Used it extensively for my master’s thesis.
 
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