Differential Geometry Book

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding accessible differential geometry books suitable for courses in general relativity and quantum field theory. Participants express a desire for texts that emphasize calculations and geometrical intuition over rigorous proofs.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants seek a differential geometry book that is easy to understand and focuses on calculations and geometrical intuition, without an emphasis on proofs.
  • One participant mentions "The Geometry of Physics: An Introduction" but finds it too detailed for their needs.
  • Another participant inquires whether the differential geometry relevant to quantum field theory includes concepts like fibre bundles.
  • Some participants express a lack of familiarity with quantum field theory but acknowledge the use of differential geometry within it.
  • A participant recommends a book that introduces basic ideas and concepts of differential geometry, including smooth manifolds, curves, and vector fields, suggesting it is suitable for beginners.
  • Concerns are raised about the use of tensor notation in physics, with some arguing that it can be misleading and that the mathematical treatment of these concepts may not align with physical notation.
  • One participant notes that the index notation is less preferred for calculations compared to no-index notation.
  • A suggestion is made that elementary differential geometry may not provide sufficient mathematical foundation for general relativity, though it could aid in developing intuition.
  • Another participant expresses a positive experience with the book "Nakhara," indicating its usefulness for their master's thesis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for accessible resources in differential geometry, but multiple competing views exist regarding the suitability of specific texts and the treatment of mathematical concepts relevant to physics. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best recommendations.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the mathematical prerequisites for understanding general relativity and quantum field theory, highlighting the potential limitations of certain texts in covering necessary concepts.

Ulrico
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Hello,
does anyone know an (more or less) easy differential geometry book for courses in generall relativity and quantum field theory? I'm looking for a book without proofs that focus on how to do calculations and also gives some geometrical intuition. I already looked at The Geometry of Physics: An Introduction, but it was too detailed for me.
 
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Ulrico said:
Hello,
does anyone know an (more or less) easy differential geometry book ...
Yes.
... for courses in general relativity and quantum field theory?
No.
I'm looking for a book without proofs ...
No.
... that focus on how to do calculations and also gives some geometrical intuition.
Yes.
I already looked at The Geometry of Physics: An Introduction, but it was too detailed for me.
So for half of the requirements:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0387903577/?tag=pfamazon01-20
 
Ulrico said:
quantum field theory?

By the differential geometry of "quantum field theory", do you mean fibre bundles, i.e., principal bundles and associated vector bundles?
 
I don't know anything about quantum field theory yet, I just heard that diffenetial geometry is used in it ;-). I'd like to read a separate book on the mathematics beside an introduction to quantum field theory/general relativity.

@fresh_42 Thanks for your answer. It's not quite what I'm looking for right now, but I will save it for later if I want a deeper understanding of mathematics.
 
Ulrico said:
@fresh_42 Thanks for your answer. It's not quite what I'm looking for right now, but I will save it for later if I want a deeper understanding of mathematics.
It's actually rather basic with a lot of drawings. It introduces all basic ideas and concepts, from smooth manifolds to curves and vector fields, and a lot of coordinate calculus. It ends where the more abstract concepts, which @George Jones mentioned, begin with. However, it contains all the fundamentals as geodesics, parallel transport, curvature etc. which the abstract concepts are developed from. As an introduction to differential geometry it is pretty good.
 
I didn't found tensors in the index, that's why I thought it might be a bit over the top.
 
Yes, that's true. The excessive use of tensors, covariant and contravariant by physicists is mathematical nonsense. They are all vectors, transformations, multilinear forms, curvature, gradient or whatever, so mathematics doesn't just call them tensors unless they are part of a universal mapping problem. In so far, it is true. The book doesn't prepare you well for the notations used in physics. The objects are all there, but not their physical notation as "tensor"; coordinates are only used if necessary: vectors are written ##\mathbf{v}## and not ##v^i##.
 
fresh_42 said:
The objects are all there, but not their physical notation as "tensor"; coordinates are only used if necessary: vectors are written ##\mathbf{v}## and not ##v^i##.
Thanks for making that clear. I didn't really like the index notation anyway, so I will go and buy it :-)
 
Ulrico said:
I'm looking for a book without proofs that focus on how to do calculations and also gives some geometrical intuition.
Ulrico said:
I didn't really like the index notation anyway,
The no-index notation is more suitable for doing proofs, while the index notation is more suitable for doing calculations.
 
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A book on "elementary differential geometry" will cover the local and global differential geometry of curves and surfaces and is not going to get you very far towards the math required for GR, though it will help with intuition and mathematical maturity.
 
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I like Nakhara. Used it extensively for my master’s thesis.
 
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