Differential Geometry for General Relativity

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The discussion revolves around recommendations for books on differential geometry, particularly in the context of understanding general relativity. Participants share various resources and express preferences for texts that provide a solid mathematical foundation relevant to physics students.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests recommendations for differential geometry books suitable for physics students.
  • Another participant provides a link to a list of recommended physics books that include differential geometry.
  • Several participants suggest specific books, emphasizing the importance of intuitive understanding and background in local surface theory.
  • Books mentioned include Schutz, Frankel, Bishop & Goldberg, and others, with varying focuses and styles.
  • One participant notes that for understanding relativity, it is beneficial to start with texts by mathematically-oriented relativists.
  • There is a query regarding the differences between the first and second editions of Frankel's book, with a mention of new appendices in the latter edition that may be relevant for applications to general relativity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of selecting appropriate texts for understanding differential geometry in relation to general relativity, but there is no consensus on which specific book is the best choice, as multiple recommendations are provided.

Contextual Notes

Some recommendations depend on the reader's background and specific interests in differential geometry and relativity, and there is uncertainty regarding the significance of changes between different editions of recommended texts.

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Please recommend some good books of differential geometry for a physics student.

Thanks!
 
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Physics books typically jump right into Riemannian geometry without discussing e.g. local surface theory. A couple books for background that will help give you a more intuitive feel for the math:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1568810733/?tag=pfamazon01-20
https://www.amazon.com/dp/082471749X/?tag=pfamazon01-20

I still like Schutz, even though his emphasis is not Riemannian geometry:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0521298873/?tag=pfamazon01-20

Frankel is pretty readable and covers an interesting selection of topics:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0521539277/?tag=pfamazon01-20

An older text, Bishop & Goldberg, is pretty concise, but I like it for that and the price is right:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0486640396/?tag=pfamazon01-20
 
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If the goal is to understand relativity, I would first seek out treatments of differential geometry by a mathematically-oriented relativist... then to others when needed.

Some names (in no particular order... some found in the URL I pasted above):
Schutz, Faber, and Frankel (as named above)
Burke, Isham, Sachs&Wu, O'Neill, Crampin, Marsden, Choquet-Bruhat, Hawking&Ellis, ...

http://www.math.harvard.edu/~shlomo/docs/semi_riemannian_geometry.pdf

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see also https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=168568
 
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robphy said:
If the goal is to understand relativity, I would first seek out treatments of differential geometry by a mathematically-oriented relativist... then to others when needed.

Some names (in no particular order... some found in the URL I pasted above):
Schutz, Faber, and Frankel (as named above)
Burke, Isham, Sachs&Wu, O'Neill, Crampin, Marsden, Choquet-Bruhat, Hawking&Ellis, ...

http://www.math.harvard.edu/~shlomo/docs/semi_riemannian_geometry.pdf

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see also https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=168568

I am reading Frankel's book. But it is the first edition. Is the change between the first edition and the second edition very big and significant?
 
princeton118 said:
I am reading Frankel's book. But it is the first edition. Is the change between the first edition and the second edition very big and significant?

I don't have the editions on hand to compare...
however, the Amazon review (from the URL above) says
"Key highlights of his new edition are the inclusion of three new appendices that cover symmetries, quarks, and meson masses; representations and hyperelastic bodies; and orbits and Morse-Bott Theory in compact Lie groups."
Based on that, it seems that:
for applications to GR, I think the second edition covers as much as the first.
 

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