Differential Length (Cylindrical Coordinates)

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The discussion revolves around finding the differential length between two points in cylindrical coordinates, specifically P(2, pi/2, -1) and Q(5, 3pi/2, 5). Participants are exploring the implications of the formulas provided for calculating differential length and the integration process involved.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the integration limits for the differential length formula and questions the treatment of variables that are not constant. Some participants discuss the importance of maintaining positive values in integrals and the implications of treating certain variables as constants during integration.

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The discussion is active, with participants raising questions about notation, integration limits, and the treatment of variables within integrals. There is no explicit consensus, but guidance regarding the order of integration and the handling of variables has been provided.

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Participants are navigating different notations and assumptions from their respective texts, which may lead to confusion regarding the integration process and the constants involved.

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So we just were given some formulas and I am confused about this simple question

Find the differential length or distance between the two points.

P(2,pi/2,-1) and Q(5,3pi/2,5)I know this

for cylindrical

dL = dp (ap) + p dphi (aphi) + dz (az)

So i would integrate

I have a few questions does it matter if for example for dp

i integrate from 2 to 5 or from 5 to 2?

also in the aphi part, there is a "p" which is not constant in my problem so how can i do the integral with respect to dphi when p is not constant!

can I even use this?

helpEDITED: MY TEXT USES A DIFFERENT NOTATION I POSTED ANOTHER QUESTION AND THE INDIVIDUAL ALSO HAD PROBLEMS WITH MY NOTATION I HOPE THIS DIAGRAM HELPS IT'S FROM MY TEXTBOOK:

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I am a bit confused as to your notation but;

It does matter which order you integrate from. By convention length must be a positive quantity and so our integral must output positive values. Choosing the integral with upper limit of integration as 5, and lower limit as 2, we achieve that, but if we were to do it the other way around, the value we would get is negative.

Also, I'm a bit confused as to what specifically you are talking about, but if the integral is with respect to the variable phi, and that variable is not a function of p, even if p is not a constant within the whole problem we can regard it as a constant within the integral.
 
But if I were to have any integral say

Integral of (ydx)

I have understand from my courses I cannot do this integral since y is not a function of x. But you are saying just treat it like a constant?
 
Pi and phi are constants yes.
 

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