Differentials in Multivariable Functions .... Kantorovitz: Example 4, page 66

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The discussion revolves around a specific example from Shmuel Kantorovitz's book "Several Real Variables," focusing on the limit of a function related to differentials in multivariable functions. Participants seek to rigorously demonstrate the limit of a specific expression as a variable approaches zero, while also addressing potential errors in the original formulation of the example.

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Main Points Raised

  • Peter requests help to rigorously demonstrate that $$\frac{ \phi_0 (h) }{ \| h \| } \rightarrow 0$$ as $$h \rightarrow 0$$ based on Kantorovitz's Example 4.
  • One participant suggests that intuitively, as $$h \to 0$$, the numerator $$\phi_0(h)$$ approaches zero while the denominator remains bounded away from zero, leading to the limit being zero.
  • Another participant points out a potential error in Kantorovitz's example, suggesting that a factor of 2 is missing in the denominator of $$\phi_0(h)$$, but believes this does not invalidate the argument regarding the limit.
  • This same participant expresses confidence in the rigor of the limit demonstration without needing to resort to the $(\epsilon,\delta)$ definition, suggesting the use of the quotient rule for limits instead.
  • Peter acknowledges the contributions of other participants, indicating a better understanding of the limit as a result of their input.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no clear consensus on the correctness of the original formulation of $$\phi_0(h)$$ due to the identified potential error. However, participants generally agree on the approach to demonstrate the limit, albeit with differing views on the necessity of rigor in the proof.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the limit demonstration relies on the behavior of the numerator and denominator as $$h$$ approaches zero, but there are unresolved questions regarding the original expression's formulation and its implications for the limit.

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I am reading the book "Several Real Variables" by Shmuel Kantorovitz ... ...

I am currently focused on Chapter 2: Derivation ... ...

I need help with an aspect of Kantorovitz's Example 4 on page 66 ...

Kantorovitz's Example 4 on page 66 reads as follows:View attachment 7817In the above example, Kantorovitz show that$$\phi_0 (h) = - \frac{ \| h \|^2 }{( 1 + \sqrt{ 1 + \| h \|^2 )}^2 }$$Kantorovitz then declares that $$\frac{ \phi_0 (h) }{ \| h \| } \rightarrow 0$$ as $$h \rightarrow 0$$ ... ...Can someone please show me how to demonstrate rigorously that this limit is as stated i.e that is that $$\frac{ \phi_0 (h) }{ \| h \| } \rightarrow 0$$ as $$h \rightarrow 0$$ ... ...
... ... Help will be much appreciated ...

Peter============================================================================================

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Readers of the above post may be helped by having access to Kantorovitz' Section on "The Differential" ... so I am providing the same ... as follows:View attachment 7818
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Peter said:
In the above example, Kantorovitz show that
$$\phi_0 (h) = - \frac{ \| h \|^2 }{\left( 1 + \sqrt{ 1 + \| h \|^2 }\right)^2 }$$
Kantorovitz then declares that $$\frac{ \phi_0 (h) }{ \| h \| } \rightarrow 0$$ as $$h \rightarrow 0$$ ... ...

Can someone please show me how to demonstrate rigorously that this limit is as stated i.e that is that $$\frac{ \phi_0 (h) }{ \| h \| } \rightarrow 0$$ as $$h \rightarrow 0$$

Well, I don't know about rigorous, but intuitively if you're talking about the limit as $h\to 0$, then $h\not=0$, which forces $\|h\|\not=0$ (in most spaces, at least). Then
$$\phi_0 (h) = - \frac{ \| h \|^2 }{\left( 1 + \sqrt{ 1 + \| h \|^2 }\right)^2 } \; \implies \;
\frac{\phi_0 (h)}{\|h\|}=- \frac{ \| h \|}{\left( 1 + \sqrt{ 1 + \| h \|^2 }\right)^2 }.$$
The denominator is always strictly greater than $4$ (in particular, it's bounded away from zero), and the numerator goes to zero.
 
Peter said:
In the above example, Kantorovitz show that$$\phi_0 (h) = - \frac{ \| h \|^2 }{( 1 + \sqrt{ 1 + \| h \|^2 )}^2 }$$

It seems to me that in your book there is a factor $2$ missing in the denominator of $\phi_0(h)$. (The error occurs in the third equality in his example.) So, I think it should be
\[
\phi_0 (h) = - \frac{ \| h \|^2 }{2\left( 1 + \sqrt{ 1 + \| h \|^2}\right)^2 },
\]
but this is innocent: It does not invalidate Ackbach's argument.

Ackbach said:
Well, I don't know about rigorous, but intuitively if you're talking about the limit as $h\to 0$, then $h\not=0$, which forces $\|h\|\not=0$ (in most spaces, at least). Then
$$\phi_0 (h) = - \frac{ \| h \|^2 }{\left( 1 + \sqrt{ 1 + \| h \|^2 }\right)^2 } \; \implies \;
\frac{\phi_0 (h)}{\|h\|}=- \frac{ \| h \|}{\left( 1 + \sqrt{ 1 + \| h \|^2 }\right)^2 }.$$
The denominator is always strictly greater than $4$ (in particular, it's bounded away from zero), and the numerator goes to zero.

In my opinion this is rigorous: I don't think the author of the book expects the reader to prove the limit from the $(\epsilon,\delta)$-definition, although here that is not hard, but it is just too time-consuming. Instead the reader can resort to the quotient rule for limits, exactly for the reasons you state.
 
Krylov said:
It seems to me that in your book there is a factor $2$ missing in the denominator of $\phi_0(h)$. (The error occurs in the third equality in his example.) So, I think it should be
\[
\phi_0 (h) = - \frac{ \| h \|^2 }{2\left( 1 + \sqrt{ 1 + \| h \|^2}\right)^2 },
\]
but this is innocent: It does not invalidate Ackbach's argument.
In my opinion this is rigorous: I don't think the author of the book expects the reader to prove the limit from the $(\epsilon,\delta)$-definition, although here that is not hard, but it is just too time-consuming. Instead the reader can resort to the quotient rule for limits, exactly for the reasons you state.
I now understand the above limit ... thanks to Ackbach and Krylov ...

Thanks to you both ...

Peter
 

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