Differentiate hyperbolic function

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The discussion revolves around proving a differential equation derived from the relationship between the natural logarithm and the inverse hyperbolic sine function. Participants are exploring the differentiation of the function and its implications for the equation.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the differentiation of the equation lny = sinh^(-1)(x) and the application of the product rule. There are questions about the correctness of various differentiation attempts and the simplification of terms.

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Several participants have provided guidance on differentiation techniques and suggested alternative approaches to simplify the problem. There is ongoing exploration of the implications of these differentiations on the original equation, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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Participants note the complexity of the problem and the potential for confusion with differentiation rules, particularly regarding the use of the product and chain rules. There is also mention of the original poster's struggle with formatting their work in LaTeX.

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Homework Statement
If lny = sinh^(-1)(x), prove that

(1+ x^2)y'' + xy' - y = 0

The attempt at a solution

I have tried various (unsuccessful) ways of doing this, but the basic procedure that I've done is:

D.w.r.t.x for lny = sinh^(-1)(x)

This gives: (1/y)y' = 1/(1 + x^2)

To obtain y'', d.w.r.t.x for equation above.

This is the part where I'm not sure if i should use product rule for differentiating (1/y)y'

Is is correct?
-y^(-2)y' + y^(-1)y''

Or is this the right way of doing it?
-y^(-2)y''
 
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sharks said:
This is the part where I'm not sure if i should use product rule for differentiating (1/y)y'

Is is correct?
-y^(-2)y' + y^(-1)y''

Or is this the right way of doing it?
-y^(-2)y''

You must use the product (or quotient) rule.
 
Well, you should be aware that:
[itex]sinh^{-1}x=log(x+\sqrt{x^2+1})[/itex]

so you have
[itex]\log y=\log(x+\sqrt{x^2+1})[/itex]

from now on it should be simple.
 
You differentiate sinh-1 x incorrectly. You should have
[tex]\frac{y'}{y} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1+x^2}}[/tex]Then I'd get rid of the quotients to make things simpler:
[tex]y'\sqrt{1+x^2} = y[/tex]before differentiating. (I just never really liked the quotient rule.)
 
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I have taken into account all of your advices. OK, now here's the evolution of this problem from my side.

So, making y' the subject of formula, i get y' = y/[(1 + x^2)^(1/2)]

I further differentiate w.r.t.x the equation by vela above (i apologize for not using the better-looking LaTex, but i still have a lot to learn on how to use it):

So, y''(1 + x^2)^(1/2) + y'/[2(1 + x^2)^(1/2)] = y'

Now, i make y'' the subject of formula.

y'' = {y' - y'/[2(1 + x^2)^(1/2)]}/[(1 + x^2)^(1/2)]

Then, i replace y' and y'' above, into the original equation: (1+ x^2)y'' + xy' - y, hoping that it will all reduce to 0. After substituting, i will end up with a (rather long) equation involving x, y and y' (which i have to substitute again). Is this the right direction to solve this problem?
 
sharks said:
I have taken into account all of your advices. OK, now here's the evolution of this problem from my side.

So, making y' the subject of formula, i get y' = y/[(1 + x^2)^(1/2)]

I further differentiate w.r.t.x the equation by vela above (i apologize for not using the better-looking LaTex, but i still have a lot to learn on how to use it):

So, y''(1 + x^2)^(1/2) + y'/[2(1 + x^2)^(1/2)] = y'
You need to use the chain rule when calculating the second term.
Now, i make y'' the subject of formula.

y'' = {y' - y'/[2(1 + x^2)^(1/2)]}/[(1 + x^2)^(1/2)]

Then, i replace y' and y'' above, into the original equation: (1+ x^2)y'' + xy' - y, hoping that it will all reduce to 0. After substituting, i will end up with a (rather long) equation involving x, y and y' (which i have to substitute again). Is this the right direction to solve this problem?
You're making more work for yourself than you need to.

Hint: After you differentiated, the y'' term almost looks like what you want.
 
OK, i got it. Thank you all very much.
 

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