Differentiating f(r): Solving a Problem

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The problem involves differentiating the function f(r) = r/sqrt(r^2 + 1). Participants are exploring the differentiation process, including the application of the product and chain rules.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss rewriting the function and applying differentiation rules. There are questions about the correctness of derivatives calculated, particularly regarding the differentiation of g(r) and h(r). Some participants also question whether r is treated as a constant or a variable.

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There is an ongoing examination of the differentiation steps, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the correctness of the original poster's calculations. Feedback has been provided, and there is a recognition of potential errors, but no consensus has been reached on the final answer.

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Participants note discrepancies in the interpretation of the variable r, and there are references to external sources that provide different answers, which adds to the complexity of the discussion.

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The problem I am struggling with is differentiating f(r)=r/sqrt(r^2 + 1)

I rewrote it as: r(r^2 +1)^(-1/2)
Split this up to get:
g(r)=r
h(r)=(r^2 + 1)^(-1/2)

By product rule, f'(r)=gh'+hg'

Obviously
g' = 1

Now by chain rule, I find h'= -r(r^2 + 1)^-(3/2)

Finally, I get f'= [(r^2 + 1)^(-1/2)] - [(r^2)((r^2 + 1)^(-3/2))]

However, Several sources say this is not correct. I followed what I believe to be the right procedures, so any feedback on where I went wrong would be great. I'm doing this from mobile, so I can't show quite as much of my work as I want. Thanks in advance.
 
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EngnrMatt said:
The problem I am struggling with is differentiatingf(x)=r/sqrt(r^2 + 1)

I rewrote it as: r(r^2 +1)^(-1/2)
Split this up to get:
g(x)=r
h(x)=(r^2 + 1)^(-1/2)

By product rule, f'(x)=gh'+hg'

Obviously
g' = 2r

This isn't true.

Now by chain rule, I find h'= -r(r^2 + 1)^-(3/2)

This is true.

Finally, I get f'= [(r^2 + 1)^(-1/2)] - [(r^2)((r^2 + 1)^(-3/2))

This isn't true (likely because you have the incorrect form of g.
 
EngnrMatt said:
The problem I am struggling with is differentiatingf(x)=r/sqrt(r^2 + 1)

Also, did you mean to write [itex]f(r)=...[/itex] or [itex]f(x)=...[/itex].
If you write

[tex]f(x)=\frac{r}{\sqrt{r^2+1}}[/tex]

then r is a constant, so f'(x)=0.
 
I meant g' = 1, about to edit it. Everything else was in fact calculated assuming g'=1, it was simply a typing error
 
micromass said:
Also, did you mean to write [itex]f(r)=...[/itex] or [itex]f(x)=...[/itex].
If you write

[tex]f(x)=\frac{r}{\sqrt{r^2+1}}[/tex]

then r is a constant, so f'(x)=0.

fixed this too. it's f(r)
 
EngnrMatt said:
fixed this too. it's f(r)

OK. But please don't edit your posts have there have been replies. It makes the thread difficult to read for future readers. Just make a new post with the corrections.

Anyway:

EngnrMatt said:
The problem I am struggling with is differentiating f(r)=r/sqrt(r^2 + 1)

I rewrote it as: r(r^2 +1)^(-1/2)
Split this up to get:
g(r)=r
h(r)=(r^2 + 1)^(-1/2)

By product rule, f'(r)=gh'+hg'

Obviously
g' = 1

Now by chain rule, I find h'= -r(r^2 + 1)^-(3/2)

Finally, I get f'= [(r^2 + 1)^(-1/2)] - [(r^2)((r^2 + 1)^(-3/2))]

OK. Looking back at this, I think that it was correct after all. What sources say that it is incorrect??
 
Solutions in the back of the book, wolframalpha. Apparently the answer is (r^2 +1)^(-3/2)
 
EngnrMatt said:
Solutions in the back of the book, wolframalpha. Apparently the answer is (r^2 +1)^(-3/2)

Your answer is the same as that answer. Try to add up the fractions in

[tex]\frac{1}{\sqrt{r^2 + 1}} - \frac{r^2}{\sqrt{(r^2+1)^3}}[/tex]
 
Thanks! I didn't think to do that, thank you so much!
 

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