How to prove this statement about the derivative of a function

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The discussion revolves around proving a statement related to the derivative of a function, specifically exploring the implications of the chain rule and the nature of derivatives in the context of a given function.

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  • Participants are attempting to apply the chain rule to derive relationships between derivatives and are questioning the correctness of their approaches. There is also a discussion about the nature of the function being analyzed and its implications for the proof.

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Some participants are providing guidance on how to approach the proof, while others are questioning the clarity of the problem statement and the definitions involved. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the relationship between the derivatives and the constants involved.

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Homework Statement
To prove: ##\dfrac{d[f(r)]}{dr}=## constant
Relevant Equations
Given (1): ##r=\sqrt{a^2 + p^2 - 2 ap \cos \theta}##

where ##a,p,\theta## are independent

Given (2): ##\dfrac{d[f(a+p)]}{dp}=\dfrac{d[f(a-p)]}{dp}##
My try:

##\begin{align}
\dfrac{d {r^2}}{d r} \dfrac{\partial r}{\partial p} = \dfrac{\partial {r^2}}{\partial p} \tag1\\
\dfrac{\partial r}{\partial p} = \dfrac{\partial {r^2}}{\partial p} \dfrac{1}{\dfrac{d r^2}{d r}}=\dfrac{p-a\cos\theta}{r} \tag2\\
\end{align}##

By chain rule:

##\dfrac{\partial [f(r)]}{\partial p}=\dfrac{d [f(r)]}{d r} \dfrac{\partial r}{\partial p} = \dfrac{d [f(r)]}{d r} \dfrac{p-a\cos\theta}{r}##

If it is the right approach, please complete the proof.

I do not even know if it is the right approach.

Thanks in advance ##\forall## help.
 
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Suppose ##f(r) = r^7##.

##\frac{d f(r)}{dr} = 7r^6 \ne \text{constant}##

am I good so far?
 
This means we have to show ##f(r)=r+C##. Or am I missing anything?
 
Read your own question and imagine you are someone else reading it. Does that person know what ##f## is?

If not, you have some editing to do.
 
Oh! Ok... Let me edit it.
 
oliverkahn said:
To prove: ##\dfrac{d[f(r)]}{dr}=## constant
oliverkahn said:
This means we have to show ##f(r)=r+C##. Or am I missing anything?
What you're trying to prove amounts to solving a simple differential equation.
##\dfrac{d[f(r)]}{dr}= k \Rightarrow d~f(r) = k~dr \Rightarrow \int d~f(r) = \int k~dr##
Can you take it from here?
 
Actually I am trying to understand the paragraphs in the following article:

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My teacher has shown the proof to me only until the fourth last equation, i.e. ##0= f'(a+p)-f'(a-p)##

From here I have to get ##f'(r)=C##. Any clue?
 
Since ##a## and ##p## are independent, let ##x=a+p## and ##y=a-p##. ##x## and ##y## are also independent. So ##f'(x) = f'(y)## for every ##x## and ##y##. Pretty much the definition of constant.
 
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I also have a question about this:
$$r^2=a^2-2ap\cos\theta+p^2\Rightarrow 2rdr=2ap\sin\theta$$
Why can he consider the differential with respect to ##r## as equal to the differential with respect to ##\theta##?
Never mind, chain rule.
 

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