Differentiating twice with respect to x

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The discussion revolves around differentiating the function z = sin(x) twice with respect to x. The initial attempt involved using the product and chain rules, but confusion arose regarding their application. The correct approach should clarify that the differentiation pertains to y as a function of z, where z = sin(x). The book's answer suggests a specific form for the second derivative, which the poster struggles to understand. The conversation emphasizes the need for clarity in defining variables and the context of the differentiation process.
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Homework Statement



Differentiate twice: z = sinx


Homework Equations



Product rule
Chain rule

The Attempt at a Solution



dy/dx = dy/dz * dz/dx

dy/dx = dy/dz * cosx

Using the product rule:

d^2y/dx^2 = d^2y/dz^2 * cosx - dy/dz * sinx

According to the answer in the book the answer is: d^2y/dx^2 = d^2y/dz^2 * cos^2x - dy/dz * sinx but I don't see how.

Thanks for any help.
 
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Why are you considering the product and chain? Product is used when you find the derivative of a product f.g , and chain is used when you have an expression f(g(x)),
and I don't see how you have either of these.
 
Ok. You're right that I don't use the chain rule but the product rule is used when differentiating dy/dx = dy/dz * cosx since there's 2 parts which both have variables.
 
sooty1892 said:

Homework Statement



Differentiate twice: z = sinx


Homework Equations



Product rule
Chain rule

The Attempt at a Solution



dy/dx = dy/dz * dz/dx

dy/dx = dy/dz * cosx

Using the product rule:

d^2y/dx^2 = d^2y/dz^2 * cosx - dy/dz * sinx

According to the answer in the book the answer is: d^2y/dx^2 = d^2y/dz^2 * cos^2x - dy/dz * sinx but I don't see how.

Thanks for any help.

You need to be more careful when posing questions. The question you wrote has no y in it anywhere. Did you mean "find d^y/dx^2, when y = f(z) and z = sin(x)"?

RGV
 
I think I do. This is part of a much larger second order differential equations question where z = sin(x) is a substitution.
 
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