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The discussion revolves around differentiating the expression -sin(2x) and clarifying the notation and interpretation of the terms involved, particularly the distinction between -sin²(x) and -(sin²(x)).

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the application of the chain rule and product rule in differentiation, questioning the correct interpretation of the expression -sin²(x) versus -(sin²(x)).

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Participants are actively engaging in clarifying the notation and the implications of the negative sign in the expressions. Some have provided insights into the priority of operations in mathematical notation, while others seek further explanation of the differences in expressions.

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There is confusion regarding the notation and the implications of squaring versus multiplication by negative one, as well as the proper application of differentiation rules. Participants are encouraged to consider these distinctions in their approaches.

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Homework Statement



Differentiate -sin2x

Homework Equations


CHAIN RULE dy/dx=dz/dx*dy/dz
PRODUCT RULE

The Attempt at a Solution



Using the chain rule;

let z = -sinx let y = z2

dz/dx = -cosx dy/dz = 2z

dy/dx=dz/dx*dy/dz = -cosx*2-sinx = 2cosx*sinx

If I use the chain rule:

let u = -sinx let v = -sinx

du/dx = -cosx dv/dx = -cosx

udv/dx+vdu/dx = -sinx*-cosx + -sinx*-cosx

= 2sinx*cosx

My book answer says -2sinxcosx ?

Also on a website says:

Expression

Function -sin(x)^2
f'x = -2*cos(x)*sin(x)

Thanks for any help.
 
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(-sin x)2 is not the same as - (sin2 x).
If you let z = -sin x, then y = -z2.
 
CompuChip said:
(-sin x)2 is not the same as - (sin2 x).].

What about -sinx*sinx. Does this equal -sinx2 or -sin2x ? or what you have put?

I would write (-sin x)2 = (-sinx)(-sinx) ? (but this = sinx2 and thus it might be -(sinx*sinx) ?and you are saying it is not equal to - (sin2 x) = -sinx*sinx. I think?

Could you put a few lines together to explain this please?

Why did you put the - sign outside of the brackets?

CompuChip said:
If you let z = -sin x, then y = -z2.

If I do it like you said I get:

let z = -sinx let y = -z2

dz/dx = -cosx dy/dz = -2z

dy/dx=dz/dx*dy/dz = -cosx*-2-sinx = -2cosx*sinx

I thought that the minus sign would be taken after within Z and it would not need to be added outside as in the first instance?


Thanks.
 
Squaring has higher priority than multiplication (by -1), so when we write -z2, we mean -(z2) = - z * z.
This is something else than (-z)2, which would be (-z) * (-z) = z * z = z2.

In the case of a sine function, we abbreviate (sin x)2 to sin2 x. This is done to distinguish from sin x2 = sin(x2) while not having to write the brackets.

So -sin2 x means negative the square of the sine of x: -1 * (sin x) * (sin x), as opposed to -sin(x2) (which cannot be simplified further) or (-sin x)2 = (-sin x) * (-sin x) = sin x * sin x = sin2 x.
 
Excellent, many thanks.
 

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