Differentiation & composite functions (2)

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The discussion revolves around the differentiation of composite functions, specifically applying the chain rule in calculus. Participants explore the relationship between the derivatives of functions and how to manipulate variables within the context of differentiation.

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  • One participant poses a question about the validity of a differentiation expression involving composite functions and seeks clarification on the reasoning behind it.
  • Another participant explains that the situation is an application of the chain rule, providing a formulaic representation of the relationship between the derivatives.
  • A suggestion is made to refer to an external resource, specifically a Wikipedia page, for a proof of the chain rule, indicating that it might help clarify the concept.
  • There is a reiteration of the chain rule explanation, emphasizing the replacement of variables and the identity of derivatives.
  • Participants discuss the freedom to replace variables in expressions, with one participant expressing uncertainty about this practice and another affirming that such replacements are valid as long as the variables are equal.

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Participants generally agree on the application of the chain rule and the validity of replacing variables, although there is some uncertainty expressed by one participant regarding the freedom of such replacements.

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Some participants express a lack of confidence in their calculus skills, which may affect their understanding of the chain rule and variable substitution.

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Suppose we are given that
d
--F(y) = f(y)
dy

Then is it true that
dF(h(u))
-------- = f(h(u))[/color] dh(u)/du ?
du
Why or why not? In particular, I don't understand how to get the red part...

Thanks for explaining!
 
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It is basically just application of the chain rule.
Calling y = h(u),

[tex]\frac{dF(y)}{du} = \frac{dF(y)}{dy} \times \frac{dy}{du}[/tex]
so if you call dF(y)/dy = f(y) then you have your identity (just replace y with its definition h(u) again).
 
Try this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_rule

There is a proof about halfway down the page.

If that proof is confusing, then I should think your calculus textbook ought to provide a proof also, which may be easier to follow.

Or you can try to prove it yourself using the limit definition of the derivative.
 
CompuChip said:
It is basically just application of the chain rule.
Calling y = h(u),

[tex]\frac{dF(y)}{du} = \frac{dF(y)}{dy} \times \frac{dy}{du}[/tex]
so if you call dF(y)/dy = f(y) then you have your identity (just replace y with its definition h(u) again).

OK, thanks!

But can we replace y by h(u) and vice versa that freely?

Sorry my calculus is a bit rusty now...
 
You can replace anything by anything that is equal to it!
 
kingwinner said:
OK, thanks!

But can we replace y by h(u) and vice versa that freely?

Sorry my calculus is a bit rusty now...

I defined y to be h(u). So, as HallsOfIvy points out, anywhere you see one you can replace it by the other.
 

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