Differentiation help (stationary points)

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The discussion revolves around finding stationary points of the function $L(\lambda) = \lambda^{150}e^{-3\lambda}$. Participants explore the conditions under which stationary points occur, the application of the first and second derivative tests, and the implications of the function's domain.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants state that stationary points occur where the derivative is zero or undefined, specifically noting that $L'(\lambda)$ is defined everywhere in the function's domain.
  • One participant calculates the first derivative $L'(\lambda)$ and finds that it equals zero at $\lambda = 50$, suggesting that this is a maximum based on the first derivative test.
  • Another participant agrees that $L'(\lambda) = 0$ at $\lambda = 50$ and also mentions $\lambda = 0$ as a potential stationary point, but later clarifies that $\lambda = 0$ is not in the function's domain.
  • Participants discuss the use of the second derivative test to confirm whether the stationary point at $\lambda = 50$ is a maximum or minimum, depending on the sign of $L''(50)$.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the method for finding stationary points and the application of derivative tests, but there is a disagreement regarding the inclusion of $\lambda = 0$ as a stationary point due to its exclusion from the function's domain.

Contextual Notes

There is an unresolved issue regarding the implications of the function's domain on the stationary points, particularly concerning the status of $\lambda = 0$.

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I’m struggling with questions c, e and f.
I don’t think I understand how to find stationary points.

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stationary points occur where the derivative is zero or is undefined.
in this case, $L’$ is defined everywhere in the function’s given domain.

skeeter said:
$L(\lambda) = \lambda^{150}e^{-3\lambda}$

$L’(\lambda) = 150 \lambda^{149} e^{-3\lambda} - 3\lambda^{150} e^{-3\lambda}$

$L’(\lambda) = 3\lambda^{149}e^{-3\lambda} (50-\lambda)$

$L’(\lambda) = 0$ at $\lambda = 50$

$\lambda <50 \implies L’ > 0 \implies L$ is increasing.
$\lambda >50 \implies L’ <0 \implies L$ is decreasing
therefore, $L$ has a maximum at $\lambda =50$
this method is called the 1st derivative test for extrema.

You could also evaluate the value of $L’’(50)$ to determine if the stationary point is a maximum or minimum.
if $L’’(50) <0$, then $L(50)$ is a maximum
if $L’’(50) >0$, then $L(50)$ is a minimum
this is the 2nd derivative test for extrema.

see what you can get done with the log function
 
skeeter said:
stationary points occur where the derivative is zero or is undefined.
in this case, $L’$ is defined everywhere in the function’s given domain.
$L’(\lambda) = 0$ at $\lambda = 50$

$L’(\lambda) = 0$ at $\lambda = 50$ OR at $\lambda= 0$

$\lambda <50 \implies L’ > 0 \implies L$ is increasing.
$\lambda >50 \implies L’ <0 \implies L$ is decreasing
therefore, $L$ has a maximum at $\lambda =50$
this method is called the 1st derivative test for extrema.

You could also evaluate the value of $L’’(50)$ to determine if the stationary point is a maximum or minimum.
if $L’’(50) <0$, then $L(50)$ is a maximum
if $L’’(50) >0$, then $L(50)$ is a minimum
this is the 2nd derivative test for extrema.

see what you can get done with the log function
 
Country Boy said:
$L’(\lambda) = 0$ at $\lambda = 50$ OR at $\lambda= 0$

$\lambda = 0$ is not in the given domain of the function ... reference the problem statement in post #1
 

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