Differentiation using the Product Rule

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The discussion revolves around differentiating the function y = x²(x-1)^(1/2) using the product rule. Participants are exploring the application of differentiation rules, particularly the product rule and the chain rule, in the context of this problem.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the differentiation of the function by identifying u and v components, applying the product rule, and using the chain rule for finding derivatives. Questions arise about the clarity of the rules being applied and the simplification of the process.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the differentiation process, with participants providing insights into the application of the product rule and chain rule. Some participants express a need for more practice in breaking down similar problems, while others offer alternative perspectives on the differentiation steps.

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Participants mention confusion regarding the application of differentiation rules and express a desire for clearer understanding, indicating that the problem may involve complexities that require careful consideration of each step.

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Homework Statement



Differentiate the following with respect to x;

y = x^{2}(x-1)^{1/2}


The Attempt at a Solution



I have a solution to the problem that I will outline below, but my notes on this are confusing and I'm having trouble applying the method to another question. So if you can see the general rule that is being employed, it would really help me if you could point it out.

Let u = x^{2}

Let v = (x-1)^{1/2}

\frac{du}{dx}= 2x

\frac{dv}{dx}= \frac{1}{2}(x - 1)^{-1/2}


(that's all fine so far)

\frac{dy}{dx}= \frac{x^{2}(x-1)^{-1/2}}{2} + 2x(x-1)^{1/2}

I have a simplified answer and I can see how to get there, but what rule does the above employ?

Thanks!
 
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The solution is employing the product rule for differentiation where if you have y=uv

then

dy/dx = v(du/dx_ + u(dv/dx)
 
rock.freak667 said:
The solution is employing the product rule for differentiation where if you have y=uv

then

dy/dx = v(du/dx_ + u(dv/dx)

Thanks for the response,

so am I correct in thinking that after splitting the function into u and v, the chain rule has been used to find dv/dx, the power rule can be used for du/dx and then from there it's plain sailing with the product rule?

I definitely need more practice on breaking these problems down.
 
BOAS said:
Thanks for the response,

so am I correct in thinking that after splitting the function into u and v, the chain rule has been used to find dv/dx, the power rule can be used for du/dx and then from there it's plain sailing with the product rule?
Yes. In this case, the chain rule is very simple, since d/dx(x - 1) = 1.
BOAS said:
I definitely need more practice on breaking these problems down.
 
The problem I need to apply this method to is a little bit more complicated, but I can see how to do it.

Thanks.
 
Here's another way to look at your problem.

y = x2(x - 1)1/2
dy/dx = x2 * d/dx[(x - 1)1/2] + d/dx(x2) * (x - 1)1/2
= x2 * (1/2)(x - 1)-1/2 * d/dx(x - 1) + 2x * (x - 1)1/2
= x2 * (1/2)(x - 1)-1/2 * 1 + 2x * (x - 1)1/2

At each step along the way, I am postponing taking the derivative of something - this is signified by "d/dx( ... )", which means that I haven't actually taken the derivative of whatever is to its right.
 
Mark44 said:
Here's another way to look at your problem.

y = x2(x - 1)1/2
dy/dx = x2 * d/dx[(x - 1)1/2] + d/dx(x2) * (x - 1)1/2
= x2 * (1/2)(x - 1)-1/2 * d/dx(x - 1) + 2x * (x - 1)1/2
= x2 * (1/2)(x - 1)-1/2 * 1 + 2x * (x - 1)1/2

At each step along the way, I am postponing taking the derivative of something - this is signified by "d/dx( ... )", which means that I haven't actually taken the derivative of whatever is to its right.

That's an interesting way of looking at it.

I imagine it's much easier to look back through such a calculation and spot any potential error.
 
Yes, because the work is shown inline rather than several lines up the page.
 

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