Difficult Vector Field Integral

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The discussion revolves around integrating a specific vector field given by the expression $$ \dfrac{2(x-1)\,dy - 2(y+1)\,dx}{(x-1)^2+(y+1)^2} $$ over several curves defined by the equations \(x^4 + y^4 = k\) for various values of \(k\). Participants are exploring the application of Green's theorem and the nature of the vector field in question.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the challenges of integrating the vector field and express uncertainty about the techniques available. There is mention of the vector field potentially being conservative, which is questioned. Some participants suggest that the integral over the first curve is zero based on a previous solution, prompting further inquiry into the nature of the field.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the parameterization of the curves for integration. There is a request for more details on previous attempts to solve the problem, indicating a desire for deeper exploration of the methods tried and where they may have failed.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the existence of multiple incorrect solutions online, highlighting the difficulty in finding a correct approach. There is also a reference to checking if the differential form is exact, which adds another layer of complexity to the discussion.

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1. Homework Statement

Given the following vector field,
$$
\dfrac{2(x-1)\,dy - 2(y+1)\,dx}{(x-1)^2+(y+1)^2}
$$
how do I integrate :
The integral over the curve x^4 + y^4 = 1
x^4 + y^4 = 11

x^4 + y^4 = 21

x^4 + y^4 = 31

Homework Equations


Green's theorem and related equations for line integrals.

The Attempt at a Solution


None of the techniques I know seem to work for this problem and if there's a shortcut or trick I'm not seeing it.

There are multiple incorrect solutions available online, but no correct ones. I know that the integral over the first curve is 0 because one solution said they should all be 0 (because F is conservative, which it is not).

How do I parameterize this curve in a way that I can integrate the result?
 
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Daniel Sellers said:
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1. Homework Statement

Given the following vector field,
$$
\dfrac{2(x-1)\,dy - 2(y+1)\,dx}{(x-1)^2+(y+1)^2}
$$
how do I integrate :
The integral over the curve x^4 + y^4 = 1
x^4 + y^4 = 11

x^4 + y^4 = 21

x^4 + y^4 = 31

Homework Equations


Green's theorem and related equations for line integrals.

The Attempt at a Solution


None of the techniques I know seem to work for this problem and if there's a shortcut or trick I'm not seeing it.

There are multiple incorrect solutions available online, but no correct ones. I know that the integral over the first curve is 0 because one solution said they should all be 0 (because F is conservative, which it is not).

How do I parameterize this curve in a way that I can integrate the result?

You need to show us more of what you have tried; just saying that "none of the techniques work" is not sufficient. How far did you get? Where do the tried techniques fail?
 
Daniel Sellers said:
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1. Homework Statement

Given the following vector field,
$$
δF=\dfrac{2(x-1)\,dy - 2(y+1)\,dx}{(x-1)^2+(y+1)^2}
$$
how do I integrate :
The integral over the curve x^4 + y^4 = 1
x^4 + y^4 = 11

x^4 + y^4 = 21

x^4 + y^4 = 31
Check if δF is an exact differential. How do you do it?
 

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