Diffraction Grating - Calculating Ruling Width

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The discussion revolves around calculating the ruling width in a diffraction grating problem, specifically addressing a homework question. The intensity equation for a grating with N equally spaced lines is presented, highlighting the conditions for primary maxima and resolving power. The user initially struggles to understand the requirements for calculating the ruling width but later clarifies that it relates to ensuring the intensity at a certain angle is sufficient. They conclude that the ruling width should be less than the wavelength to maintain effective diffraction. The conversation emphasizes the relationship between intensity factors and the geometry of the grating setup.
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Hi All!

This is probably going to have a very simple answer. I'm stuck on question (b)(ii). The only equation I can find with the ruling width in it is the one shown and I can't find a way to calculate is as I don't know Beta.

Thanks
 

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The basic equation of the intensity for a grating of ## N ## equally spaced lines separated by a distance ## d ## is ## I(\theta)=I_o \frac{\sin^2(N \phi)/2)}{\sin^2(\phi/2)} ##where ## \phi =\frac{ 2 \pi d \, \sin(\theta)}{\lambda} ##. The primary maxima are found when both numerator and denominator are equal to zero, and in the limit as the denominator approaches ## 0 ##, the intensity of the maxima ## I=I_o N^2 ## at these locations. The resolving power is given by ## R=\frac{\lambda}{\Delta \lambda}=N m ## where ## N ## is the number of illuminated lines and ## m ## is the order. This can be derived from the intensity equation, but for someone not specializing in spectroscopy, simply using this resolving power formula is sufficient. ## \\ ## For the second question, (the width of the ruling), I'm not sure what they are asking. Maybe it has a simple answer, but they didn't seem to give sufficient information for that part. ## \\ ## See also this previous homework posting: https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/diffraction-grating-question-dispersion-and-resolving.897090/ ## \\ ## Editing: I think I figured out what part (ii) is asking. This higher order will occur at a fairly wide angle ## \theta ## on the spectrometer. In order to have the intensity be appreciable at that angle, the single-slit diffraction intensity factor ## i(\theta)= \frac{\sin^2(\phi'/2)}{(\phi'/2)^2} ## where ## \phi'=\frac{2 \pi b \, \sin(\theta)}{\lambda} ## that is multiplied by the above interference result to get the complete intensity needs to be greater than ## .1 ## or thereabouts. (For this formula, with a reflection grating, you can assume ## b ## is the width of the ruling). ## \\ ## [Edit: "In principle", the order ## m ## maximum from above needs to occur inside of, really well inside of, the first zero intensity of the single slit diffraction pattern. That first zero occurs at ## \theta ## such that ## \lambda=b \sin(\theta) ##. In addition, might it be a good answer to say ## b ## should be such that ## b<\lambda ##? I'll let you decide that, based on the approximate value that you get for ## \sin(\theta) ## at the maximum of order ## m ## ]. ## \\ ## I think the second answer I gave here, ( the part [Edit: "In principle"..., etc.], is simpler, and probably better than trying to mathematically analyze the single-slit diffraction intensity function.
 
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The basic equation of the intensity for a grating of ## N ## equally spaced lines separated by a distance ## d ## is ## I(\theta)=I_o \frac{\sin^2(N \phi)/2)}{\sin^2(\phi/2)} ##where ## \phi =\frac{ 2 \pi d \, \sin(\theta)}{\lambda} ##. The primary maxima are found when both numerator and denominator are equal to zero, and in the limit as the denominator approaches ## 0 ##, the intensity of the maxima ## I=I_o N^2 ## at these locations. The resolving power is given by ## R=\frac{\lambda}{\Delta \lambda}=N m ## where ## N ## is the number of illuminated lines and ## m ## is the order. This can be derived from the intensity equation, but for someone not specializing in spectroscopy, simply using this resolving power formula is sufficient. ## \\ ## For the second question, (the width of the ruling), I'm not sure what they are asking. Maybe it has a simple answer, but they didn't seem to give sufficient information for that part. ## \\ ## See also this previous homework posting: https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/diffraction-grating-question-dispersion-and-resolving.897090/ ## \\ ## Editing: I think I figured out what part (ii) is asking. This higher order will occur at a fairly wide angle ## \theta ## on the spectrometer. In order to have the intensity be appreciable at that angle, the single-slit diffraction intensity factor ## i(\theta)= \frac{\sin^2(\phi'/2)}{(\phi'/2)^2} ## where ## \phi'=\frac{2 \pi b \, \sin(\theta)}{\lambda} ## that is multiplied by the above interference result to get the complete intensity needs to be greater than ## .1 ## or thereabouts. (For this formula, with a reflection grating, you can assume ## b ## is the width of the ruling). ## \\ ## [Edit: "In principle", the order ## m ## maximum from above needs to occur inside of, really well inside of, the first zero intensity of the single slit diffraction pattern. That first zero occurs at ## \theta ## such that ## \lambda=b \sin(\theta) ##. In addition, might it be a good answer to say ## b ## should be such that ## b<\lambda ##? I'll let you decide that, based on the approximate value that you get for ## \sin(\theta) ## at the maximum of order ## m ## ]. ## \\ ## I think the second answer I gave here, ( the part [Edit: "In principle"..., etc.], is simpler, and probably better than trying to mathematically analyze the single-slit diffraction intensity function.

Thanks a lot! I managed to briefly see my professor this morning and he said exactly the same thing as you :smile:
 
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