Diffraction grating for astronomy?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the differences between diffraction gratings used in laboratory settings and those intended for astronomical applications. Participants explore the calibration of gratings, discrepancies in wavelength measurements, and the implications of using an inappropriate grating for atomic spectra analysis.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes a significant discrepancy between measured wavelengths of hydrogen lines and literature values, questioning the suitability of the grating used.
  • Another participant mentions that astronomical gratings are typically larger but does not identify unique properties that would affect the experiment's outcome.
  • A participant raises concerns about the calibration of the grating, suggesting that not all gratings fit the standard equation dsinθ=nλ and inquiring about calibration methods.
  • There is a discussion about the types of gratings and their manufacturing methods, with a focus on the need for calibration and how it relates to the experiment.
  • One participant asks about the measurement of angles for each line and suggests using known wavelengths to calibrate the system.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about the calibration process and the implications of using different types of gratings. There is no consensus on the specific differences between astronomical and laboratory gratings or the best calibration methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the potential for calibration issues and the need for further exploration of grating types and their properties. The discussion includes references to different grating equations and the conditions under which they operate, but these remain unresolved.

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Hi, i am new here, so am not really sure wheather i am asking this qus at the right place. I have a Lab based qus. I just did the atomic spetra analysis using a diffraction grating, analysing hydrogen gas.

But but when i calculate the wavelengths of the lines, its way off from the literature values. I asked my prof, he said somthing about the grating is actually for astronomy, and not really suited for this experiement. I have to find out wats the diffrence.

so what's the diffrence between grating for astronomy and the normal gratings? I tried googling, can't really get any viable results. is there any refeance material I could look at?
 
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Richardson Grating Labs has a nice little book all about gratings, available for free. In it, 'astronomical gratings' are simply very large gratings- there is not inherent unique property about gratings used for that purpose.

Now, there are many types of gratings based on manufacturing method (ruled, holographic, replicated), optical power (planar, concave, grisms, echelles), but none of those obviously accounts for your data. So, my question is:

What have you done to calibrate the grating? Laser lines are ideal, but the sodium line(s) is also a common standard.
 
Actually according to the prof, the grating was mistakenly bought this experiment. I suppose the original plan was to get a grating that would not require calibrating cos the lab manual never said anything about calibrating the grating. But since we end up with this, prof decides to turn this into a mini research project, and we would only need to discuss qualitatively the discrepancy in the values.

So, if gratings requires calibration, u mean to say not all gradings fit the standard equation of dsin\theta=n\lambda? So how do i calibrate it? is it similar to the calibration of a prism? Are there some other forms of grating equations? I am reading through the handbook that u recommended, but it seems like most of the gratings they describe are reflective gratings. However the onces i have read about so far and used in the experiment was something that let light through, then causes interferance on the other side. are the similar conditions?

sorry about the long and wordy reply, i do like to ramble on, and thank for all the help!
 
bina0001 said:
So, if gratings requires calibration, u mean to say not all gradings fit the standard equation of dsin\theta=n\lambda? So how do i calibrate it?
Yes they fit the equation but - how do you measure the angle for each line?
The normal way is to shine light of a few known wavelengths into the system, note the position on the detector and then fit a function to wavelength/position.
 

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