Dimensional analysis in the formula for gyration frequency

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The discussion revolves around the dimensional analysis of the formula for gyration frequency of synchrotron radiation of a relativistic particle in a magnetic field. Participants explore the implications of different unit systems, particularly Gaussian and SI units, and how these affect the interpretation of the formula.

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  • One participant questions how the speed of light \( c \) fits into the formula for frequency when dimensions seem to be accounted for by the other terms.
  • Another participant suggests that the confusion arises from the system of units being used, specifically Gaussian units, which are said to be more suitable for relativistic electrodynamics.
  • Some participants argue that the use of the cgs system complicates dimensional analysis and can lead to significant errors if not carefully checked.
  • There is a discussion about the preference for setting \( c = 1 \) in relativistic work to simplify calculations, though some express concerns about the need to revert back to conventional units later.
  • One participant critiques the use of different dimensions for field components in various unit systems, suggesting it is a flaw in physical reasoning.
  • Another participant counters that the argument against different dimensions is overly simplistic, noting that all of physics involves different units for time and space.
  • Some participants express a belief that formulating electromagnetism in SI units detracts from the elegance of the theory when expressed in a relativistic framework.

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Participants do not reach consensus on the superiority of one unit system over another, with multiple competing views on the implications of using Gaussian versus SI units and the impact on dimensional analysis.

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Participants highlight the limitations of dimensional analysis in different unit systems and the potential for significant errors if dimensions are not carefully checked. The discussion reflects ongoing debates about the appropriateness of various unit systems in theoretical physics.

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I have a question about dimensional analysis in the formula of the gyration frequency of synchrotron radiation of a relativistic particle (electron of charge e and mass m) in a magnetic field B. Leaving aside the adimensional Lorentz factor γ and numerical factors, the formula reads v ~ (e * B) / (m * c) (see for example eq. 9 in https://www.astro.utu.fi/~cflynn/astroII/l4.html). The dimensions of frequency are already given in the expression (e * B) / m, so how does the speed of light c in the denominator fit in here? I am afraid this must be something obvious about units system or convention, but I am confused. Help would be appreciated.
 
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Yes, it has to do with the system of units being used. See the comments starting at the bottom of the second page here.
 
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Indeed, the formula refers to Gaussian (or Heaviside-Lorentz) units for the electromagnetic quantities, which is much nicer when formulating electrodynamics in a relativistically covariant way (as it should be done, because it's after all the paradigmatic example of a relativistic field theory).

In these units the Lorentz force reads (in the non-covariant formulation with ##m## the invariant mass of the particle)
$$m \mathrm{d}_t (\gamma v)=\vec{F}=q \vec{v} \times \vec{B}/c.$$
For the particle moving on a circle of radius ##r## this must be the centripetal force, i.e.,
$$m \gamma r \omega^2 = q v B/c=q \omega r B/c \; \Rightarrow \; \omega=q B/(m \gamma c).$$
 
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vanhees71 said:
Indeed, the formula refers to Gaussian (or Heaviside-Lorentz) units for the electromagnetic quantities, which is much nicer when formulating electrodynamics in a relativistically covariant way (as it should be done, because it's after all the paradigmatic example of a relativistic field theory).
It is a pain that the cgs-system is still in use. (Incidentally, you are deviating from your cherished Lectures on Theoretical Physics by Arnold Sommerfeld. ;-)
We could have gotten rid of it at least half a century ago, but some people (for example Edward Purcell in the Berkeley Physics Course) thought otherwise, that the cgs-system is "inherently" better. Generations of students have stumbled over this, and apparently this will continue forever, because there will always be some who think one system is superior to the other. Thus you cannot copy an equation from a book without checking whether the magnetic field is ## B_\text{cgs} = c B_\text{SI} ## or ## B_\text{SI} = B_\text{cgs} / c ##.

Of course, in relativistic work you can always set ## c = 1 ##. And I have no problem with that. But in the end you must be able to put back the factors you set to ## 1 ##. Dimensional analysis helps, but only if you remember what the dimensions should be. I have met people using cgs units who found checking dimensions too tiresome. They had a formula for a plasma effect that was off by ten orders of magnitude. It's now obvious that a factor of ## c ## was missing, but they didn't bother to check the dimensions.
 
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WernerQH said:
It is a pain that the cgs-system is still in use. (Incidentally, you are deviating from your cherished Lectures on Theoretical Physics by Arnold Sommerfeld. ;-)
He committed two sins. The lesser is the use of the SI in electrodynamics and the really severe one is the use of the ##\mathrm{i} c t## convention in special relativity.
WernerQH said:
We could have gotten rid of it at least half a century ago, but some people (for example Edward Purcell in the Berkeley Physics Course) thought otherwise, that the cgs-system is "inherently" better. Generations of students have stumbled over this, and apparently this will continue forever, because there will always be some who think one system is superior to the other. Thus you cannot copy an equation from a book without checking whether the magnetic field is ## B_\text{cgs} = c B_\text{SI} ## or ## B_\text{SI} = B_\text{cgs} / c ##.
A system of units, where components of a field have different dimensions is flawed from a physical point of view. From a practical point of view the SI is of course better to use.
WernerQH said:
Of course, in relativistic work you can always set ## c = 1 ##. And I have no problem with that. But in the end you must be able to put back the factors you set to ## 1 ##. Dimensional analysis helps, but only if you remember what the dimensions should be. I have met people using cgs units who found checking dimensions too tiresome. They had a formula for a plasma effect that was off by ten orders of magnitude. It's now obvious that a factor of ## c ## was missing, but they didn't bother to check the dimensions.
You can do this in the SI too, i.e., you set ##\mu_0=\epsilon_0=1##, and you use the Heaviside-Lorentz system in its natural form. In the SI you have ##c##'s at very intuitive places. Dimensional analysis is simpler in the SI, because of the additional base unit A, i.e., you avoid the fractional powers of c, g, and s in the units of the electromagnetic quantities.
 
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vanhees71 said:
A system of units, where components of a field have different dimensions is flawed from a physical point of view.
That's a silly argument. From this point of view all of physics is flawed that uses different units for time and space. Too bad that you are helping to perpetuate a "schism" that confounds students (and sometimes professionals too).
 
Well, that's why we set ##c=1## in theoretical studies involving relativity. It's "more natural". That's all I'm saying. Formulating electromagnetism in terms of SI units spoils the natural beauty of the theory when written in its most natural form, i.e., as a relativistic (Q)FT.
 
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