Diode Resistance: Electric Field & P/N Junctions

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The discussion centers around the resistance characteristics of diodes, particularly in relation to the electric field in the depletion zone and the behavior of P/N junctions. Participants explore the implications of modeling diodes as an EMF plus resistance, the nature of resistance in forward and reverse bias conditions, and the underlying physics of charge carriers in the depletion region.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the resistance in a diode is due to the resistivity of the P and N junctions or the presence of a depletion region that resists charge flow, raising concerns about heat dissipation.
  • Another participant argues that modeling a diode as an EMF plus resistance is not typical due to its non-linear nature and suggests defining a differential resistance for small signals.
  • Discussion includes the concept of reverse saturation current and its relation to minority carrier diffusion across the depletion region, with questions about how this affects resistivity and conductivity.
  • Participants express confusion about how the conductivity of the depletion region influences diffusion current and whether it contributes to potential drops.
  • Some participants mention that the depletion region is void of carriers, complicating the application of resistance concepts, especially in reverse bias conditions.
  • There are inquiries about the implications of applying a voltage greater than the potential barrier in forward bias and what resistance is represented in such cases.
  • One participant emphasizes that models aim to approximate the IV curve of a diode and that the slope (resistance) is not constant, highlighting the limitations of simple models.
  • Another participant introduces statistical mechanics to explain the behavior of electrons in semiconductors and the relationship to the Schottky equation for diode characteristics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the modeling of diode resistance, the role of the depletion region, and the applicability of resistance concepts in different bias conditions. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on these points.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in understanding due to the complexity of the models and the interplay between electric fields, charge carriers, and resistance in diodes. There are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions made in various models and the definitions of resistance in non-linear contexts.

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Hello,
A diode is represented by an EMF equal to the electric field in depletion zone plus a resistance. This resistance is obtained from the I/U characteristic of a diode. My question is, this resistance is due to what? The resistivity of P and N junctions or because in forward bias case, there's still a depletion region (electric field) that resists the flow of charges? I know in both case we have an electric field, but in both case is there heat dissipation?

Thank you.
 
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I don't think that I ever encountered modeling a diode as an EMF plus resistance. Diode is a non-linear element and the usual definition of resistance (i.e. R = V/I) does not apply. You can define a differential resistance (## \frac 1 R = \frac {dI} {dV} ##) which is the resistance the diode present to a very small signal. There is also a non-linear capacitance in parallel with the junction resistance. Another thing, the junction thickness is very small. There is a resistance of the body of the semiconductor and it is in series with the junction.
Now to answer your question. The resistance is the result of the fact that the energy a carrier (an electron or a hole) acquires due to the field is lost in collision with crystal vibrations, impurities, etc.
And yes, there is heat dissipation, always. The total power input to the diode is equal to V*I. Some of this power can be converted to light, like in LEDs, but the rest is dissipated as heat.
 
Great. In reverse bias mode, the diode has a small current (saturation current). The reverse saturation current is due to the diffusive flow of minority electrons from the p-side to the n-side and the minority holes from the n-side to the p-side. When the diffusion current is crossing the depletion region that has a voltage Vd, there's a loss of power equal to Vd x Io right? but also flowing through the depletion region, this depletion region has a very low conductivity thus a very high resistivity, so how this resistivity can be modeled? What it is confusing me, that in the depletion region we have an electric field due to charge separation and this depletion region has a conductivity thus resistance
 
Plus what is confusing me, that diffusion current is due to difference of charge concentration, but while flowing through depletion region, that has an electric field thus voltage drop, this depletion region also has a conductivity. So how this conductivity affects the diffusion current? And this conductivity or resistance does not also cause a potential drop?
 
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this depletion region also has a conductivity

The model you started with (i.e. a depletion region plus a resistor) is only an Equivalent Circuit. Just as a real battery is described as a voltage source in series with an internal resistance but that resistance is not actually sited in series with the other component. The resistance in the diode can be partly or totally in the depletion region but you can't separate them out physically and measure just one.
 
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You can't really use the concept of resistance for a diode. Depletion layer is really void of carriers. The electric field there sweeps them away. The reason that reversly-polarized diode carries current is generation of electron and holes there. The current is really equal to the total number of electron and holes generated per unit time within the depletion layer. In the forward polarization, you have to apply the voltage across the junction roughly equal to the height of the potential barrier to start seeing any appreciable field.
 
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Henryk said:
You can't really use the concept of resistance for a diode. Depletion layer is really void of carriers. The electric field there sweeps them away. The reason that reversly-polarized diode carries current is generation of electron and holes there. The current is really equal to the total number of electron and holes generated per unit time within the depletion layer. In the forward polarization, you have to apply the voltage across the junction roughly equal to the height of the potential barrier to start seeing any appreciable field.
Ok but during their sweep in the depletion region, they do not encounter a resistance to flow due to conductivity in the reverse bias mode? If yes, how it is modeled? Can we say, it is mentioned implicitly in the value of this current?

Another question:
In the case of forward biased pn junction, the barrier potential across pn-junction = Vbi-Vf. Using this equation, how can we explain the case if Vf > Vbi?
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When taking this graph which illustrates an ideal diode (without the resistance of quasi-neutral region (P and N), when the applied voltage is more than the potential barrier (for example 0.7V), then the potential barrier disappear? Then what is the resistance here? of what? If it is of the P and N region, it is false because this is the characteristic of an ideal diode without the quasi-neutral region resistance. So, this resistance represents what?
 
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At the end of the day all the model is trying to do is approximate a real diode IV curve. Without resistance in the model the current would be infinite once 0.7V is exceeded. It's not trying to model the "resistance" of a real diode with any great accuracy as that isn't possible with such a simple model. The slope (aka resistance) of a real diode isn't constant.

Without resistance in the model..
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/84/Diode_Modelling_Image8.png/300px-Diode_Modelling_Image8.png
With resistance..
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fe/Diode_Modelling_Image11.png/300px-Diode_Modelling_Image11.png
 
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This equation is for a diode without the resistance of the quasi-neutral region. This equation is used to plot the characteristic of the diode that I mentioned in my post #8. In this equation, we are calculating the resistance and it is equal to V/I for V> 0.7V for example. But this resistance is of what? Considered that this equation does not take into consideration the resistance of the P and N junction.
 
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My apology, I stated in my previous post '.. appreciable field' but I mean to say '...appreciable current'

Let me add a few facts about the physics of a diode, maybe that will help you with your confusion.
For most semiconductors, the electrons obey Botzmann statistics, that is probability of finding electron of energy ##\mathcal E## is proportional to
## p(\mathcal E ) \sim exp(- \frac {\mathcal E}{kT}) ##. The total electron energy is its band energy plus its kinetic energy plus any potential energy due to electric field. So, if within the bulk of the n-region the concentration of electron is ##n_0##, in the depletion region, there is an extra potential energy equal -eV(r) added that reduces the number of electrons to ##n(r) = n_0 exp( \frac {-eV}{kT})##
This leads directly to the Schottky equation for the diode: the forward current vs voltage characteristics simply reflects the number of electrons that have enough energy to cross over the potential barrier of the junction.
Next thing, is the total current density is ## j = e j_p - e j_n## where ## j_p## and ## j_n## are hole and electron fluxes.
The equation for, say electron flux is ##j_n = -e \mu _n \vec E - D\nabla n##. The first term is the drift due to electric field and the second is diffusional flux.
In the depletion region with no voltage applied to the junction, we do have electric field but no net current because the drift and diffusional fluxes cancel out exactly.
They have to because otherwise, we would be violating the second law of thermodynamics.
These are the basic equations. With these, you can derive the diode equation and all the details of its operation.
I hope it will help to clear the confusion.
 
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