Dipole Electric Field Drop: Understanding 1/r^3 Decay

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of the electric field generated by a dipole, specifically addressing why the electric field decays with a factor of 1/r^3 at large distances. Participants explore the underlying principles of dipole fields, including the contributions of individual charges and the implications of their arrangement.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the reasoning behind the cancellation of electric fields from equal but opposite charges in a dipole, noting that while the charges are equal, their distances from a point in the field differ, leading to a non-zero net field.
  • Another participant explains that in the far field, the dipole can be approximated as a single dipole moment, which alters the expected decay of the electric field from 1/r^2 to 1/r^3.
  • A different participant expresses confusion about the forces experienced by a charge in the presence of a dipole, questioning how the dipole's formula results in a 1/r^3 dependence despite the opposing forces from the two charges.
  • One participant provides a mathematical derivation of the potential due to a dipole, illustrating how the gradient leads to a 1/r^3 relation when considering the limit where the distance from the dipole is much greater than the separation between the charges.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the intuitive understanding of the dipole's electric field behavior, with some expressing confusion and others providing explanations that may not fully address the concerns raised. Multiple competing views on the interpretation of the dipole field remain present.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the importance of considering the distances from the charges to the point of interest, which complicates the cancellation of fields. The discussion also touches on the mathematical treatment of the dipole potential and the assumptions involved in approximating the dipole moment.

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Hy, i am back with my annoying questions about this and that. Could everyone tell me why the frigging dipole have an electric field that drops with 1/r^3? i mean, if i am far away , i should feel no electric field, you know, q2 = -q1 , so they cancel, but i feel (q1 q2 k)/r^3.What the HECK?
 
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Why do you say "you know, q_2 = q_1 , so they cancel"? The field due to one pole depends on 1/r2 and the two distances are not the same so while q_2- q_1= 0, q_2/r_2^2- q_1/r_1^2] is not 0. It true that because of the equal charges in the denominator, that will drop off faster than just 1/r^2- which is exactly what 1/r^3 does.
 


well, dipole have 2 charges equal but opposite. if i am far away, and i am a proton, i feel the force of a charge pushing me with a force equal x, but i also feel a force attracting me also of x magnitude. but the dipole's formula states that i should feel q1 x q2 x k divided by distance cubed. I am confused
 
HallsofIvy already explained it pretty well. The close proximity of the opposite charges changes the normal field equation. In the near field, we take the summation of the fields from the two charges, but in the far-field, the two charges can be approximated as a single dipole moment. This simplifies the math and introduces little error, the cancellation effect is shown in the fact that the dipole moment drops off as 1/r^3 here instead of 1/r^2.
 
Consider the potential (just take the gradient (times -1) to get the force):

V(r)=kq(\frac{1}{r_{+}}-\frac{1}{r_{-}} if we apply cosine law and take d as the distance between the two charges and r as the distance from the point exactly between the two charges to somewhere in the distance we get r_{\pm}^2=r^2+(\frac{d}{2})^2+2 r d cos \theta / 2 = r^2(1+\frac{d}{r}cos \theta + \frac{d^2}{4r^2}) now if r is much greater than d then we neglect the d^2/r^2 term and get (with some reworking) \frac{1}{r_{\pm}}=\frac{1}{r}(1 \pm \frac{d}{2r}cos \theta) so we have \frac{1}{r_{+}}-\frac{1}{r_{-}}\approx \frac{d}{r^2}cos \theta so, finally, we have in the limit that r >> d V(r) is approximately qk\frac{cos \theta}{r^2}. Take the grad of that and you have a 1/r^3 relation.
 

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