Direction of Current in a Sliding Bar

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the direction of current in a scenario involving a sliding bar in a magnetic field, specifically addressing a problem from the Physics SAT Subject Test. Participants explore the relationship between the motion of electrons, conventional current, and the implications of magnetic forces on current direction.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the current is described as counter-clockwise, suggesting that if the magnetic force pushes electrons downward, the current should be clockwise instead.
  • Another participant clarifies that if electrons move down, conventional current moves up, leading to a counter-clockwise direction for the complete circuit.
  • There is a discussion about the difference between conventional current and electron flow, with one participant noting that current is defined as the flow of positive charge, which is a convention established before the discovery of electrons.
  • Some participants emphasize the importance of understanding the convention of current flow and suggest looking up "conventional current" for further clarification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the direction of current and the underlying reasons for the convention used. The discussion remains unresolved as there is no consensus on the interpretation of the problem.

Contextual Notes

There are references to the historical context of current flow definitions and the implications of magnetic forces, but no mathematical steps or assumptions are explicitly stated or resolved.

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I'm studying for the Physics SAT Subject Test using The Princeton Review (2011-2012). There's this motional EMF problem about a rod sliding to the right along a u-shaped wire in a uniform magnetic field that's going into the page and the current moving counter clockwise. Problem is: I can't figure out why the current is going counter clockwise. It seems to me that the magnetic force would push electrons in the rod downwards, creating a negative end on the bottom. Therefore, current would go from positive to negative so it would be clockwise, right?
 
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patrickbotros said:
Therefore, current would go from positive to negative so it would be clockwise, right?

current = electrons, go from negative to positiveDave
 
If the electrons go down, the conventional current goes up, which means counter-clockwise for the complete circuit.

The current goes from plus to minus in the external circuit. In the source it goes from minus to plus, to close the loop. Here the moving bar is the source.
 
nasu said:
If the electrons go down, the conventional current goes up, which means counter-clockwise for the complete circuit.

The current goes from plus to minus in the external circuit. In the source it goes from minus to plus, to close the loop. Here the moving bar is the source.
Why would the current go from positive to negative? Isn't current the motion of electrons? Why is it in the opposite direction elections go? Is this just a convention or is there a reason?
 
Yes, it is a convention. Look up "conventional current".
 
patrickbotros said:
Why would the current go from positive to negative?

you did state that in you opening post ...

patrickbotros said:
I can't figure out why the current is going counter clockwise. It seems to me that the magnetic force would push electrons in the rod downwards, creating a negative end on the bottom. Therefore, current would go from positive to negative so it would be clockwise, right?

when current flow was discovered, it was long before electrons were discovered and that they moved from neg to pos
As Nasu said do some googling on convention current flow and electron flow :smile:Dave
 

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