Directional Derivative of Potential energy

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding the notation and concepts related to the directional derivative of potential energy in classical physics, specifically focusing on the notation used in equations involving multiple particles.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the meaning of "ij" in "Vij" and the notation used in the force equation F=-∇iVij.
  • Another participant clarifies that "i" and "j" are indices representing different particles, with an example of V23 indicating the potential between particle 2 and particle 3.
  • A participant questions the meaning of the operator ∇ and its application in the context of potential energy changes for a specific particle.
  • Further clarification is provided that ∇i indicates derivatives with respect to the position of particle i, specifically its components.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the meaning of the subscript i on the del operator, prompting a response that it refers to derivatives with respect to the coordinates of particle i.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the interpretation of the indices and the application of the del operator, but there remains some uncertainty regarding the broader implications of the notation and its meaning in context.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the clarity of notation and the specific definitions being used, which may affect the understanding of the equations discussed.

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I'm facing some problem in understanding few basic concepts of classical physics.

http://www.fotoshack.us/fotos/67357p0020-sel.jpg I cannot understand what does "ij" indicate in "Vij" and how does F=-∇iVij. Why ∇i, why not only ∇.

Please help anybody. I'm practically getting frustrated googling for answers.

N.B. Equation 1.29
http://www.fotoshack.us/fotos/74847p0019-sel.jpg
 
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i and j in Vij are indices for particle numbers. As an example, V23 is the potential between particle 2 and particle 3.
##\nabla_i## refers to the change of the position of particle i.
 
Thanks for the "ij" explanation but what about my other question i.e., why F=-∇iVij and why ∇i, why not only ∇.
 
There is no obvious meaning of ∇. Derivative for what?
What is meant here is the change in potential for particle i.
 
So what does the line "the subscript i on the del operator indicates that the derivatives are with respect to the components of ri" mean.
 
It means that the derivatives are with respect to xi, yi and zi, not xj, yj and zj.
 

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