Discovering a Non-Conductive Alternative to Water in Convection Currents

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The discussion revolves around finding a non-conductive alternative to water for use in convection currents, particularly in applications where water's conductivity could damage electronic devices. Participants explore various liquids and their properties related to convection and conductivity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the conductivity of water and its implications for use in electronic environments.
  • There is a suggestion that ultra-pure water could be a potential alternative, though its properties are debated.
  • One participant mentions the Rayleigh number as a factor in convection, indicating the complexity of finding a suitable liquid.
  • Deionized water is proposed as a low-conductivity option, but questions arise about its effectiveness and the presence of ions.
  • Alternative liquids such as kerosene and Isopar are suggested, with varying opinions on their suitability.
  • Concerns are raised about the corrosive nature of water on electronic components, leading to disagreements on the necessity of using deionized water.
  • Some participants express frustration over differing views on industry standards versus student-level projects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best alternative to water, with multiple competing views on the suitability of various liquids and the importance of conductivity in their applications.

Contextual Notes

Discussions include assumptions about the properties of liquids, the specific requirements for the application, and the financial constraints of the participants. The effectiveness of suggested alternatives remains unresolved.

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Is there an other liquid that was similar water(In Convection current) but without the conductivity of it?
 
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sampro said:
Is there an other liquid that was similar water(In Convection current) but without the conductivity of it?

When did water become conductive?
 
Integral said:
When did water become conductive?

Well, because of its natural pH of 7 and consquent ion density, water is a little conductive, right?
 
Well conductivity is all relative, but most would say water is an insulator. So you're looking for a liquid that is similar but has less conductivity than water? Shall I assume you aren't going to care about the temperature range of what this substance's melting point is?
 
Ultra pure water.Because the onset of convection depends on the difference in density and viscosity, there can be no other liquid with similarity in convection current
This text is from wiki
The onset of natural convection is determined by the Rayleigh number (Ra). This dimensionless number is given by
Ra=ΔρgL^3/Dμ

where

Δρ is the difference in density between the two parcels of material that are mixing
g is the local gravitational acceleration
L is the characteristic length-scale of convection: the depth of the boiling pot, for example
D is the diffusivity of the characteristic that is causing the convection, and
μ is the dynamic viscosity
 
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Thanks a lot.
I see that water is used in radiator because of it's convection. However in an electric environment water can't be used.It's obvious that water conductivity can damage electric device. Because of this i try to find another liquid to use instead of water.
 
The stuff you are looking for is deionized or low-conductivity water.
 
How can you deionize water? Won't it always have some ions due to its pH?
 
He is talking about deionising water of impurities
 
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DI water systems are commonplace in wafer fabs. They consist of plastic plumbing with supply and return lines so can be kept continually circulating through the filter system. I have seen DI water circulation used to cool High Voltage plates in MW+ radar systems aboard US Navy Ships. Depending on the care taken the resistance can be up to 18MOhms.
 
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How your opinion about oil(kerosene or another types that is used for avoiding friction) instead of water?
I hear alcohol also has some water and therefore can't be used in this case.
 
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Try to use Isopar.
http://www.exxonmobilchemical.com/Public_Products/Fluids/Aliphatics/Worldwide/FAQs/Fluids_Aliphatics_FAQ_Isopar.asp
 
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You need to speak to a professional. We've explained the industry standard solution, which you have apparently rejected. Fine...but if you are going to do that, you should be talking to a professional and not a bunch of people on the internet.
 
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Thanks bro and excuse me for any disrespect.
But industry standard is not necessary.
This is a student level work(Not an industrial laboratory project) and i don't need high level professional knowledge because unfortunately I don't have enough money to buy a similar device only for modeling from it.
My question is simple, i know ,water can damage board and therefore i try to find a simple replacement liquid that can also transfer heat (not similar water).
Could u help me?
 
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No, I can't help you. I pointed out that deionized water is used for this application, and you pooh-poohed it.

Whatever.
 
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If I right understand, deionized water is water without salt.
But the water nature is pernicious for any electronic board and IC. Also Water will cause corrosion. Are u agree with me?
 
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No, Sampro, I don't agree with you. But since you clearly have no intention of reading what I wrote above, I'm done here.
 
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Our project is not a theoretical project. This kind of material maybe hard to supply. I want to use available cheap material(Because of money limiting).
But. Thanks anyway.
 

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