Discovering the Keq of a System: Understanding Pulleys and Springs

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The discussion revolves around understanding the effective spring constant (keq) of a system involving pulleys and springs. Participants are exploring the relationship between the displacements of the pulleys and the resulting displacement of the mass in the system.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to understand the relationship between the movements of the pulleys and the mass, specifically questioning how the displacements relate to each other. Some express confusion about the provided equation and its implications.

Discussion Status

There is a mix of attempts to clarify the relationships involved, with some participants beginning to grasp the concept after discussing the movements of the pulleys and the mass. While some express uncertainty, others provide insights that seem to aid understanding.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the assumption of one spring not operating and the need to relate the movements of the pulleys to the displacement of the mass, indicating a focus on the mechanics of the system.

Saladsamurai
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So I am trying to follow along this example in the text to find keq of the system.

I can follow everything up until the point that they say: "It follows that x=2(x1+x2)

where:

x = displacement of mass
x1 =displacement of Pulley1cm
x2 =displacement of Pulley2cm

I am not seeing it. I am also very tired. So please help me and then slap me :smile:

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For the time being, suppose k2 is not operating. When the pulley1 moves up through x1, what is the distance moved by the mass ?
 
Yeah. I don't see it. How ca I relate anything to x?

Like rl.bhat says: If k2 was not operating, I know that 2W=k1*x1 ... but I
don't see how that helps?
 
Anyone?
 
Just compare the movement of the pulley and release of the rope at mass end.
When the pulley1 moves through x1, mass moves through y1 distance ,then y1 = 2x1. Similarly for pulley 2, y2 = 2x2. So the distance moved by the mass y1 + y2 = x = 2(x1 + x2)
 
Okay. I mean, I believe you. I just don't see it.
 
Saladsamurai said:
Okay. I mean, I believe you. I just don't see it.
When p1 moves up through x1, on both side of the pulley x1 rope is released. That adds up to 2x1.
 
rl.bhat said:
When p1 moves up through x1, on both side of the pulley x1 rope is released. That adds up to 2x1.

Ahh. I think I see it now. Thanks for your patience!
 

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