Discussion problem, wronskian matrix, linear independence of solution

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the Wronskian matrix related to two solutions of a homogeneous differential equation, specifically examining the implications of the Wronskian being zero for all real numbers x. The subject area is differential equations and linear independence of solutions.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand why the Wronskian being zero does not violate the theorem regarding linear independence of solutions, despite the solutions being stated as linearly independent. Some participants explore the conditions under which the theorem holds, particularly focusing on the leading coefficient of the differential equation.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the assumptions of the theorem and discussing the implications of the leading coefficient being nonzero. There is a recognition that the theorem may not apply in certain cases, particularly when the interval includes points where the leading coefficient is zero.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the differential equation failing at x=0, which raises questions about the validity of the theorem in intervals containing this point. The original poster expresses concern about the completeness of the theorem as presented in their textbook.

AdkinsJr
Messages
148
Reaction score
0
Edit: I think I may have posted this in the wrong section, sorry about that. Note that this isn't a homework problem though, I"m not enrolled in this class, I was just reading over some of this stuff and trying some problems since I"m majoring in physics.

I have a textbook "discussion" problem that's stumping me, I'm given that these are two linearly independent solutions:

y_1=x^3 and y_2=\mid x\mid ^3

to the homogeneous differential equation x^2y''-4xy'+6y=0

on (-\infty,\infty)

I'm asked to show that the wronskian matrix for the solutions is equal to zero for every real number x. This is easy enough to do, I won't show that work here... but then I"m asked whether this violates the theorem for the wronskian matrix test, which is stated in my text:

If y_1,y_2...y_n are n solutions of a homogenous linear nth-order differential equation on an interval I. Then the set of solutions is linearly independent on I if and if w(y_1,y_2...y_n)≠0 for every x in the interval. Naturally I would say yes, it is a violation, but they seem to be implying that it isn't a violation (i can just tell by the way they're asking...). They're messing with me. Why is it not a violation?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
If you look at the theorem where it is proven that the Wronskian is either never zero or else identically zero, you will find that one of the hypotheses is that the leading coefficient of the DE is nonzero. If you look at the proof, you will see why. This equation fails at ##x=0## and the result may fail on any interval containing zero. Notice, however, on any interval not containing zero it all works.
 
LCKurtz said:
If you look at the theorem where it is proven that the Wronskian is either never zero or else identically zero, you will find that one of the hypotheses is that the leading coefficient of the DE is nonzero. If you look at the proof, you will see why. This equation fails at ##x=0## and the result may fail on any interval containing zero. Notice, however, on any interval not containing zero it all works.

thanks, wouldn't that usually be have stated in the theorem though? usually with theorems in textbooks I don't find there is anything crucial missing. You think the theorem would state that it should be a linear homogeneous equation with a_n(x)≠0 for x in I...or something like that, if I'm understanding correctly. My text doesn't provide a proof so I'll check that out online somewhere.
 
I think you will find that ##a_n(x)\ne 0## is explicitly stated or the leading coefficient is ##1##. In that case the hypothesis is inherent. You can always divide both sides of the DE by ##a_n(x)## if it is nonzero to get a leading coefficient of ##1##.
 

Similar threads

Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 30 ·
2
Replies
30
Views
2K
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 23 ·
Replies
23
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 28 ·
Replies
28
Views
5K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
3K