Dispersion Relation for EM Waves: Skin Depths in Good and Poor Conductors

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the dispersion relation for electromagnetic waves in conductors, specifically focusing on skin depths in good and poor conductors. The original poster presents a mathematical expression derived from Maxwell's equations and seeks to expand it to find limiting expressions for skin depth.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to expand the dispersion relation using binomial expansion for both good and poor conductors, questioning the validity of their approach due to the presence of imaginary units. They express uncertainty about the correct application of expansions and seek clarification on the derivation of expressions for electric and magnetic fields.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's questions, with some suggesting that the expression for k may be mis-stated. There is a recognition of the complexity of the problem, with discussions about the real and imaginary components of k and their implications for skin depth. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, and some participants offer insights into the nature of complex wave behavior.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of differing interpretations of the dispersion relation and the need for careful consideration of assumptions regarding conductivity and frequency. The original poster also notes reliance on specific texts for definitions and derivations, indicating a potential gap in information or understanding related to the topic.

  • #31
rude man said:
This equation indicates B leading E by 45 deg. which is incorrect unless you're making an assumption that I can't fathom. B should lag by 45 deg. I, vanhees & the problem's statement all agree on this. So your error must have taken place ahead of this relation unless, again, somewhere there's an inconsistency regarding convention.
That's all correct. If you use my convention of the signs, i.e.,
\vec{B} \propto \exp(-\mathrm{i} \omega t).
Your case is for a good conductor, i.e., \sigma \mu \omega \gg \epsilon \mu \omega^2 or
\frac{\sigma}{\epsilon} \gg 1.
Then you have
k \simeq \sqrt{\frac{\sigma \mu}{\omega}} \exp(+\mathrm{i} \pi/4).
That means
B_0 \exp(-\mathrm{i} \omega t)=\sqrt{\frac{\sigma \mu}{\omega}} E_0 \exp[-\mathrm{i}(\omega t-\pi/4)].
This means the phase of the B field is behind that of the E field by an amount of \pi/4 (in the limit of good conductivity).
 

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