Why Do Electromagnetic Waves Propagate Independently of Their Source?

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The discussion revolves around understanding why electromagnetic waves propagate independently of their sources, utilizing Maxwell's equations as a foundational framework. Participants are exploring the theoretical implications of these equations in a vacuum context.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants express uncertainty about how to begin addressing the problem and seek guidance on deriving relevant equations. Some mention familiarity with the wave equation and inquire about identities related to vector fields. Others discuss the implications of the wave equation in demonstrating the independence of electromagnetic waves from their sources.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing insights and hints about the wave equation and its derivation from Maxwell's equations. There is recognition of the need for a coherent explanation, but no explicit consensus on what that entails has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Some participants question the interpretation of "different sources," considering whether they refer to electric or magnetic sources. There is also a mention of the instructor's expectations regarding the coherence of the explanation, which remains unclear.

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Homework Statement



Use Maxwell's equations to elaborate an coherent explication of why electromagnetic waves propagate independently of the source that produces them.

Homework Equations



Maxwell's equations in vacuum:
  • ##\nabla * E=0##
  • ##\nabla * B=0##
  • ##\nabla \times E = -\frac{\partial B}{\partial t}##
  • ##\nabla \times B=\mu _0 \epsilon _0 \frac{\partial E}{\partial B}##

The Attempt at a Solution



Honestly I don't know how to begin or proof it.
 
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BobaJ said:

Homework Statement



Use Maxwell's equations to elaborate an coherent explication of why electromagnetic waves propagate independently of the source that produces them.

Homework Equations



Maxwell's equations in vacuum:
  • ##\nabla * E=0##
  • ##\nabla * B=0##
  • ##\nabla \times E = -\frac{\partial B}{\partial t}##
  • ##\nabla \times B=\mu _0 \epsilon _0 \frac{\partial E}{\partial B}##

The Attempt at a Solution



Honestly I don't know how to begin or proof it.
This is actually done in most textbooks. Hint: have you seen the wave equation? Do you know any identities containing curl and divergence of a vector field?
 
nrqed said:
This is actually done in most textbooks. Hint: have you seen the wave equation? Do you know any identities containing curl and divergence of a vector field?
Maybe you can recommend me a textbook where it is done?
Yes, I have seen the wave equation (and how to derive it from Maxwell´s equations).
 
BobaJ said:
Maybe you can recommend me a textbook where it is done?
Yes, I have seen the wave equation (and how to derive it from Maxwell´s equations).
AH ok. Then this is what shows that the waves propagate independently of the sources. When an em wave is produced, it propagates because the fields obey the wave equation.
 
Ahhh, so when they refer to different sources, they are just referring to either electric or magnetic ones?

So just by getting, the equations ##\nabla^2 E=\mu_0 \epsilon_0 \frac{\partial^2 E}{\partial t^2}## and ##\nabla^2 B=\mu_0 \epsilon_0 \frac{\partial^2 B}{\partial t^2}## I'm showing that the EM waves are independent of the source that produces them.

And they are propagating because they obey the wave equation.

So, when they are asking me to elaborate an coherent explanation to proof it, they are in reality asking me to derive and demonstrate the two equations previously mentioned? Is that right?
 
BobaJ said:
Ahhh, so when they refer to different sources, they are just referring to either electric or magnetic ones?

So just by getting, the equations ##\nabla^2 E=\mu_0 \epsilon_0 \frac{\partial^2 E}{\partial t^2}## and ##\nabla^2 B=\mu_0 \epsilon_0 \frac{\partial^2 B}{\partial t^2}## I'm showing that the EM waves are independent of the source that produces them.

And they are propagating because they obey the wave equation.

So, when they are asking me to elaborate an coherent explanation to proof it, they are in reality asking me to derive and demonstrate the two equations previously mentioned? Is that right?
Well, you are showing that the propagation of the em waves is independent of the sources. As for what they want as a "coherent explanation", I cannot say. It depends on what your instructor has in mind so I would not dare try to guess in case I would induce you in error.
 

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