Displacement equation due to acceleration

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The discussion revolves around the displacement equation in the context of acceleration, exploring the relationships between distance, velocity, and acceleration. It includes both mathematical reasoning and conceptual clarifications, with references to calculus and its application in understanding motion under constant acceleration.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents formulas for displacement, velocity, and acceleration, concluding that ½a does not equal a.
  • Several participants emphasize the need for calculus to differentiate between instantaneous and average velocity.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between acceleration and velocity, with one participant asserting that acceleration is the derivative of velocity with respect to time.
  • Another participant proposes that velocity can be expressed as the integral of acceleration, to which others agree, noting the inclusion of an integration constant.
  • A participant mentions that under constant acceleration, the average speed can be intuitively understood as half the final speed, suggesting a simpler approach to the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for calculus in understanding the relationships between displacement, velocity, and acceleration. However, there are competing views regarding the interpretation of these relationships and the application of calculus.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the importance of distinguishing between average and instantaneous values, as well as the role of integration and differentiation in the context of motion. Some assumptions about the conditions of acceleration may not be explicitly stated.

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Using the formulas: s = [tex]\frac{1}{2} \alpha t^2[/tex]
v = [tex]\frac{d}{t}[/tex]
a = [tex]\frac{v}{t}[/tex]​

When we divide distance "s" by time we get velocity:
v = [tex]\frac{\frac{1}{2} \alpha t^2}{t}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{1}{2} \alpha t[/tex]
When we divide velocity "v" by time we get acceleration:
a = [tex]\frac{\frac{1}{2} \alpha t}{t}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{1}{2} \alpha[/tex]​

½a ≠ a
 
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You need to use calculus here. The instantaneous velocity is not the same as the average velocity.
 
Khashishi said:
You need to use calculus here. The instantaneous velocity is not the same as the average velocity.
So the velocity = the derivative with respect of time of acceleration?
 
You got that backwards. Acceleration is derivative of velocity wrt time
 
Khashishi said:
You got that backwards. Acceleration is derivative of velocity wrt time
So does that make v = ∫a ?
 
yeah, plus an integration constant
 
Khashishi said:
yeah, plus an integration constant
Thank you.
 
Note that under constant acceleration, the calculus is easy and you can probably even see without calculus that the average speed under a linear acceleration is half the final speed.
 

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