Distance of electron from nucleus

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The discussion revolves around a hydrogenic atom with a carbon-12 nucleus and a single electron, focusing on the wavelength of emitted photons during electron transitions and the distance between the electron and nucleus in specific energy states, particularly the n = 2 state.

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  • The original poster attempts to apply the Bohr model to calculate the distance of the electron from the nucleus, expressing uncertainty about how to adjust the Bohr radius for a carbon nucleus. Other participants discuss the postulates of Bohr's model and the quantization of angular momentum, while questioning the nature of electron orbits and the forces involved.

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Participants are exploring various aspects of the problem, including the application of the force equation and angular momentum rules. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to consider the charge of the nucleus in the force equation, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or solution.

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There is a noted difficulty in adapting the Bohr model for a carbon nucleus, and participants are grappling with the implications of the nucleus's charge on the calculations. The original poster has indicated that their initial calculations yielded an incorrect radius.

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Homework Statement



a) Consider a hydrogenic atom consisting of a carbon-12
nucleus and a single electron. What is the wavelength of the
photon emitted when this atom drops from n = 5 to the n = 2
state?

b) According to the Bohr theory, what is the distance
between the electron and the nucleus in the n = 2 state of the
hydrogenic carbon-12 atom?

Homework Equations



r_n = n^2 \times a_0

where a_0 is the bohr radius

The Attempt at a Solution



I found the answer to part A no problem, but b is giving me trouble.

I know that the equation for the radius for excited states is for a hydrogen atom. WIth a carbon nucleus I expect it to be much smaller that the bohr radius, but I can't figure out how to account for the change in nucleus size.

Any ideas?
 
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What are the postulates of Bohr's model?
 
Bohr's Model says that angular momentum is quantized, or only has certain values, so

\vec{l} = \vec{r} \times \vec{p}

simplified, it is

l = rmv = n\hbar

Right direction?
 
That is not incorrect, but that does not seem to help much. What is the shape of orbits in Bohr's model, and what holds electrons in place?
 
Ok so the electron has energy of -122.4 eV = -1.96*10-17J

The total energy of the electron is:
E = KE + U<br /> <br /> E = \frac{1}{2} m_e v^{2} + \frac{k q^2}{r}

And by F = ma

\frac{m_{e} v^{2}}{r} = \frac{k q^{2}}{r^2}

I solved for v2

and found this expression for r:

r = \frac{2 k q^{2}}{k q^{2}-2 E}

However I found this radius to be 1.18 * 10-11m which is wrong
 
The equation you termed F = ma is not entirely correct, as you neglected the charge of the nucleus.

Then you could use the angular momentum rule.
 
Ah I see.

so the force equation would be

\frac{m_{e} v^{2}}{r} = \frac{k 6 q^{2}}{r^2}?
 
dinospamoni said:
Ah I see.

so the force equation would be

\frac{m_{e} v^{2}}{r} = \frac{k 6 q^{2}}{r^2}?

Yes.
 

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