DISTANCE travelled by the projectile

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The discussion revolves around calculating the distance traveled by a projectile, distinguishing it from displacement, which involves both horizontal and vertical components. Participants explore the implications of height and the curved path of the projectile in their reasoning.

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  • Participants express uncertainty about how to incorporate height into the distance calculation, with some suggesting the use of Pythagorean theorem while questioning its applicability to curved paths. Others seek clarification on the distinction between total distance and horizontal displacement.

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The discussion is active, with participants questioning the validity of equations presented and suggesting a breakdown of horizontal and vertical motion. Some guidance has been offered regarding the integration of velocity over time to find total distance, though the complexity of the calculations is acknowledged.

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There is a mention of constraints related to the nature of projectile motion questions, particularly those that ask for maximum horizontal distance versus total distance along a curved path. Participants are navigating assumptions about the problem setup and the definitions of terms used.

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Homework Statement


What is the DISTANCE traveled by the projectile?
I know how to calculate the displacement, but this includes both x and y components, so how do I calculate the distance? I'm sure it must include both height and vertical displacement components



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I have no clue really. Everything I try to do, it just gives me the displacement. I just don't know how to get the 'h' factor in? Do I use pythagaros? Because it doesn't apply for a curved surface.
 

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judas_priest said:

Homework Statement


What is the DISTANCE traveled by the projectile?
I know how to calculate the displacement, but this includes both x and y components, so how do I calculate the distance? I'm sure it must include both height and vertical displacement components



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The Attempt at a Solution



I have no clue really. Everything I try to do, it just gives me the displacement. I just don't know how to get the 'h' factor in? Do I use pythagaros? Because it doesn't apply for a curved surface.

Wait are you trying to find the distance the object flew in total or are you trying to find its horizontal displacement ( I'm sure it's displacement though ).

With that in mind, to get the horizontal displacement of an object use :

$$\vec{Δd}_H = \vec{v}_H Δt = \frac{ \vec{v}_R^2 sin(2θ) }{ \vec{a} }$$

depending on which information you have been given or have been able to retrieve.
 
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Zondrina said:
With that in mind, to get the horizontal displacement of an object use :

$$\vec{Δd}_H = \vec{v}_H Δt = \frac{ \vec{v}_R^2 sin(2θ) }{ \vec{a} }$$

What is ##\vec{v}_R?## That equation does not make sense. You cannot square a vector or divide by one.
@judas_priest: Distinguish between horizontal and vertical motion. Write the equation for the displacement of the body in each direction. Then find the horizontal displacement in terms of known quantities by eliminating variables between the two equations.
 
CAF123 said:
What is ##\vec{v}_R?## That equation does not make sense. You cannot square a vector.
@judas_priest: Distinguish between horizontal and vertical motion. Write the equation for the displacement of the body in each direction. Then find the horizontal displacement in terms of known quantities by eliminating variables between the two equations.

##\vec{v}_R## is the resultant velocity ( Hypotenuse ).

EDIT : Yeah you're right, It should be :

$$\frac{v_R^2 sin(2 \theta)}{a}$$

without the vector quantities.
 
Most elementary projectile mechanics question limit themselves to asking about the maximum horizontal distance traveled by the projectile, also known as the range. This is very easy to work out, and the well-known formula for a projectile launched on a flat surface has already been quoted. For a projectile launched from a height, the answer is quite simple to work out from first principles.

But if the question is actually asking for the total distance traveled by the projectile on its curved path, it's not impossible. Tedious, but not impossible. The distance is simply ##\displaystyle \int_0^T v(t)dt##, where ##T## is the total time of flight, and ##v(t)## is the instantaneous speed of the projectile expressed as a function of time.

Using the resultant of the horizontal and vertical components of velocity at time ##t##, it is possible to get an expression for ##v(t)##. Integrating that is a little tough, and a hyperbolic trig substitution is probably the quickest way. And simplifying the resulting mess is daunting. But an answer can be derived fairly quickly.
 

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