Distinct Eigenvalues and Eigenvectors in Matrix Multiplication

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The discussion revolves around properties of eigenvalues and eigenvectors in the context of matrix multiplication, specifically involving two matrices A and B that commute. The original poster seeks to understand how to conclude that a given eigenvector of A is also an eigenvector of B.

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  • Participants explore the implications of the commutation of matrices A and B, questioning how this affects the eigenvectors. Some participants suggest examining the definitions and properties of eigenvalues and eigenspaces, while others express uncertainty about the completeness of their reasoning.

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There are various lines of reasoning being explored, with some participants providing insights into the relationship between eigenvectors of A and B. However, there is no explicit consensus on the final conclusion, as the discussion remains open-ended with multiple interpretations being considered.

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Participants note the significance of A having distinct eigenvalues, which implies that the eigenspaces are one-dimensional. This aspect is under discussion as it may influence the relationship between the eigenvectors of A and B.

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Let A be an nxn mx with n distinct eigenvalues and let B be an nxn mx with AB=BA. if X is an eigenvector of A, show that BX is zero or is an eigenvector of A with the same eigenvalue. Conclude that X is also an eigenvector of B.



I could show BX is zero or is an eigenvector of A with the same eigenvalue, but i don't know how to Conclude that X is also an eigenvector of B. Does anyone know how to do it? Thanks!
 
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Why don't we ever get neat questions like that?

I have an idea how to tackle this, but I can't help you at this moment.
 
why you cannot help me?
JasonRox said:
Why don't we ever get neat questions like that?
I have an idea how to tackle this, but I can't help you at this moment.
 
The answer follows from all the definitions given in one line:

If BX=0 we're done, if not to show BX is an eigenvalue of A we consider ABX and use the information in the question.
 
But that was what JerryKelly had already shown...
 
matt grime said:
The answer follows from all the definitions given in one line:

If BX=0 we're done, if not to show BX is an eigenvalue of A we consider ABX and use the information in the question.

Yes, that part he said he could do. The remaining problem is to show that X is in fact an eigenvector of B.

You haven't used the fact that A has n distince eigenvalues. If that is true then there exist a basis for the vector space consisting of eigenvectors of A.
 
How many eigenvectors does A have for any particular eigenvalue?
 
Muzza said:
But that was what JerryKelly had already shown...
But it also proves the rest of the question (admittedly it is a trivial observation since any question that is doable is doable because of the information in the question, but here it is a case of follow your nose). We have proved B preserves (generalized) eigenspaces (of A) which are all 1-d according to the information in the question, thus answering the last part.
 
Since matt grime is about to burst trying to give clues without giving the whole thing, I'm going to give up and spell it out in "donkey steps".

Given A and B are n by n matrices with AB= BA.
1. If x is an eigenvector of A with eigenvalue [itex]\lambda[/itex] then Bx is also also an eigenvector of A with eigenvalue [itex]\lambda[/itex].
(A(Bx))= (AB)x= (BA)x= B(Ax)= B([itex]\lambda[/itex]x)= [itex]\lambda[/itex](Bx))

2. If lambda is an eigenvalue of A then the set of all vectors x such that Ax= [itex]\lambda[/itex]x forms a subspace (often called the "eigenspace" of [itex]\lambda[/itex]). Further the eigenspaces of two distinct eigenvalues have only 0 in common.

3. Since A is an n by n matrix it is on an n dimensional vector space.

4. Since A has n distinct eigenvalues, each eigenspace has dimension 1.

5. If two vectors are in the same one-dimensional subspace then one is a multiple of the other.

6. Since x and Bx are in the same one-dimensional eigenspace, Bx is a multiple of x.
 
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Hey, no doing the whole problem for the OP!
 
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Thanks for help,HallsofIvy! It made perfert sence! for the first step, it is so similar what i was doing. I was doing ABx=BAx=B[itex]\lambda[/itex]x=[itex]\lambda[/itex]Bx.
since A(Bx)=[itex]\lambda[/itex](Bx)
Bx=0 or Bx is eigenvector.
 
  • #12
your way is seeing better than my way. Thanks,agian! It is very helpful.
 
  • #13
Hurkyl said:
Hey, no doing the whole problem for the OP!
Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa.
 

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