Distribution of Charge along a straight line

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The problem involves a straight nonconducting plastic wire with a uniform charge density of +175 nC/m, measuring 8.50 cm in length. The task is to determine the electric field produced by this wire at a point located 7.00 cm directly above its midpoint.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the integration process for calculating the electric field, with some attempting to express the problem in LaTeX for clarity. There are questions about the correct interpretation of charge density and how to convert it into a usable charge for the equations. Others explore the symmetry of the problem and its implications for the integration bounds.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on the integration setup and questioning the assumptions made about the charge density. There is an acknowledgment of the need to clarify the relationship between linear charge density and differential charge, as well as the correct limits for integration.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion regarding the integration limits and the interpretation of distance variables in relation to the geometry of the problem. There is a focus on ensuring that the mathematical expressions accurately reflect the physical setup described in the problem statement.

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Homework Statement



A straight nonconducting plastic wire 8.50 cm long carries a charge density of +175nC/m distributed uniformly along its length. It is lying on a horizontal table top
(a) Find the magnitude and direction of the electric field this wire produces at a point 7.00cm directly above its midpoint.

Q = +175nC/m (charge density)
L = .085m (length of charge)
D = .060m (Distance from charge)
r^2 = x^2 + H^2

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Homework Equations



dQ = (Q / L) dx (Total charge over Total distance)
dEy = kdQ/r^2 sin θ
sin θ = D/r
dEx = 0
k = electric constant

The Attempt at a Solution



Ey = kQD/L(x^2 + H^2) ∫ 1 / (x^2 + D^2) ^(3/2) Integrand from 0 to L
= KQD/(D^2(D^2 + X^2)^(1/2))

Answer I got was 2.5 x 10^5 N/C

This is wrong because the charge is a density C/m. I tried to multiply that answer with the total distance to cancel the m but answer still came out wrong. What did I do wrong here?
 
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If you don't mind, I'll first make sure I've got your procedure right by translating it into TeX (because for some reason my eyes don't deal well with ASCII equations and I want to make sure I'm helping you find the right errors.

So I'm seeing

E_{y} = \int^{x = L/2}_{x = -L/2} \frac{\lambda D dx}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}(x^{2}+D^{2})^{3/2}} = \frac{\lambda D}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}} \int^{x = L/2}_{x = -L/2} \frac{dx}{(x^{2}+D^{2})^{3/2}}

Is this what you had? Because if it is, I'm pretty sure you're on the right track. If not, can you see how I derived it? If you don't see it and it's not what you got, just let me know so I can go back and help you derive it step-by-step.

Anyway, once you've got that you can solve the integral and evaluate it at its proper bounds and it should yield the correct answer.

(You can simplify things substantially by taking advantage of the symmetry of the situation by setting the midpoint of the charged line segment at x = 0, thereby putting your bounds of integration to |x| <= L/2. Note also that by symmetry all of the horizontal components of the electric field vector will cancel each other.)
 
WJSwanson said:
If you don't mind, I'll first make sure I've got your procedure right by translating it into TeX (because for some reason my eyes don't deal well with ASCII equations and I want to make sure I'm helping you find the right errors.

So I'm seeing

E_{y} = \int^{x = L/2}_{x = -L/2} \frac{\lambda D dx}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}(x^{2}+D^{2})^{3/2}} = \frac{\lambda D}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}} \int^{x = L/2}_{x = -L/2} \frac{dx}{(x^{2}+D^{2})^{3/2}}

Is this what you had? Because if it is, I'm pretty sure you're on the right track. If not, can you see how I derived it? If you don't see it and it's not what you got, just let me know so I can go back and help you derive it step-by-step.

This is what I did

Ey = kQHdx
||||| D || (x2+ H2)3/2

My integral is from 0 to D.
Since Q is a charge density and not the actual charge it self, what do I have to do to convert it so it fits the equation of E?

Ignore the white lines, that my bad attempt to make the equation look clear for you guys.
Btw, how do you type like that?
 
What are you setting D equal to? The distance between x and the midpoint of the rod? Because from the picture you gave, when you integrate from 0 to D you're integrating an x-dependence over an interval that includes a y-value. o_O;
 
Sorry I meant from 0 to L, I wrote one thing and drew another.

I'm still confused with the given charge density, how to I turn that into a charge?
 
Okay, so your linear density of charge (which you've been representing as Q and I've been representing as \lambda) is, by definition, the charge per unit length through a differential element dx of the charged rod. Recall that the electric field is given by

E_{y} = \int\frac{dq sin\theta}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}r^{2}}.

Because your differential charge dq is given by

dq = \lambda dx

and the distance r between an arbitrary point x along the rod and the point (L/2, D) is given by

r^{2} = (x - L/2)^{2} + D^{2}

and sin\theta is given by

sin\theta = \frac{D}{r} = \frac{D}{\sqrt{(x - \frac{L}{2})^{2} + D^{2}}}

the integral

E_{y} = \int\frac{dq sin\theta}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}r^{2}}

becomes

E_{y} = \int^{L}_{0}\frac{\lambda D dx}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}( (x - \frac{L}{2})^{2} + D^{2})^{3/2}}

which by symmetry about the midpoint \frac{L}{2} actually just becomes

E_{y} = 2\int^{\frac{L}{2}}_{0}\frac{\lambda D dx}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}( (x - \frac{L}{2})^{2} + D^{2})^{3/2}} = \frac{\lambda D}{2\pi\epsilon_{0}}\int^{\frac{L}{2}}_{0}( (x-\frac{L}{2})^{2} + D^{2})^{\frac{-3}{2}}dx

So the tl;dr version would simply be this:
Using the notation

\lambda (or Q, depending on preference) = \frac{q}{L}

we see that q = \lambda L (= QL). We can also conclude from the analytical definition of linear charge density that the differential charge (dq) through a differential length element (dx) is given by

Q = \lambda = \frac{dq}{dx} \Rightarrow dq = \lambda dx or Q dx depending on the notation you prefer.

You can verify this by integrating \Sigma q = \int^{L}_{0}\lambda dx which yields \Sigma q = \lambda L (= QL) which is what we should expect because the linear charge density is constant/uniform (or in this case simply x-invariant) -- and it does in fact conform to our previous derivation.

This confirms the argument that you can use your linear charge density to impute the differential charge via the relationship dq = \lambda dx.
 
Ah, I see. Thank you very much!
 

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