Divisibility of powers of primes

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The discussion revolves around the divisibility of powers of primes, specifically focusing on the conditions under which \(8 | p^2 - 1\) and \(24 | p^3 - p\) for odd prime numbers. Participants explore various methods of proof and reasoning related to Legendre symbols and quadratic reciprocity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Thomas inquires about proving that \(8 | p^2 - 1\) and whether a similar method can be applied to show \(24 | p^3 - p\).
  • One participant suggests researching the Legendre symbol and the Second Supplement to the Law of Quadratic Reciprocity, providing a breakdown of how odd primes can be expressed in relation to 8.
  • Another participant proposes that since \(8 | p^2 - 1\), it follows that \(8 | p^3 - p\), and emphasizes the need to show \(3 | p(p-1)(p+1)\) to prove \(24 | p^3 - p\).
  • Petek offers a simpler proof for \(8 | p^2 - 1\) by noting that for odd primes, both \(p + 1\) and \(p - 1\) are even, leading to the conclusion that their product is divisible by 8.
  • Petek acknowledges the complexity of the initial method and reflects on the utility of the least common multiple in the context of the discussion.
  • Bingk expresses gratitude for the insights gained from the discussion, particularly from the contrasting proofs presented by other participants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple approaches to the proofs, indicating a lack of consensus on the most effective method. While some methods are acknowledged as simpler or more complex, no definitive agreement on a singular approach is reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on various assumptions about the properties of odd primes and the divisibility rules, which may not be universally accepted without further clarification or proof.

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Hi all,

so I was looking at Legendre symbols, and I saw that [tex]\left(\frac{2}{p}\right)=(-1)^{\frac{p^2-1}{8}}[/tex].

How does one show that [tex]\frac{p^2-1}{8}[/tex] is always an integer? That is, how can we show that [tex]8 | p^2-1[/tex]?

Can a similar method be applied to show that [tex]24 | p^3-p[/tex]?


Thanks :-)

Thomas.
 
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Hi ... I suggest you wiki the Legendre symbol to get a better idea of it ... also wiki the proof for the Second Supplement to the Law of Quadratic Reciprocity.

The idea is this, we know that even numbers are of the form 2n, and odd numbers 2n+1. We can extend this further by showing that 4n and 4n+2 are even numbers, while 4n+1 and 4n+3 are odd numbers (and the combination of 4n, 4n+1, 4n+2, 4n+3 represent the form of any number) ... this is all actually from the division algorithm which states that for any two integers a and b, both greater than 0, there exists another two integers q and r such that a=bq+r where r is less than b and greater than or equal to zero.

So, we can set our a to be a prime number, say p, and we let our b=8. This gives us the following possibilities:
p=8q
p=8q+1
p=8q+2
p=8q+3
p=8q+4
p=8q+5
p=8q+6
p=8q+7

If you look at those equations, you'll notice that 8q, 8q+2, 8q+4, and 8q+6 will give you even numbers, so they can't be odd primes. So you're left with 8q+1, 8q+3, 8q+5, and 8q+7
as the forms of odd numbers (and thus possibly odd primes).

Now, let's take a look at p^2-1 = (p+1)(p-1) where p is one of the possibilities mentioned above.
For:
p=8q+1, (p+1)(p-1) = (8q+2)(8q) = 8q(8q+2), since 8|8, 8|8q(8q+2), then 8|p
p=8q+3, (8q+4)(8q+2) = 8q(8q+2) + 4(8q+2) = 8q(8q+2) + 32q + 8, and if you look at that, all those terms are divisible by 8, so 8|p
You can do the same for the rest ... and you'll see that if a prime is of any of those forms, then it will be divisible by 8.

You might be able to use this method to show 24|(p^3-p), but it will be somewhat tedious ...
 
Bingk said:
You might be able to use this method to show 24|(p^3-p), but it will be somewhat tedious ...
It is not so tedious since 8|p^2 -1 ==> 8|p^3-p. Thus to prove 24|p^3-p we only have to further prove that 3|p(p-1)(p+1)!
 
To prove simply that [itex]8|p^2 - 1[/itex] is much easier than the proof given above. It's understood that p is odd. Therefore, both p + 1 and p - 1 are even. It's easy to see that, given two consecutive even numbers, one of them must be divisible by 4. It follows that the product (p + 1)(p - 1) is divisible by 8. But [itex]p^2 - 1 = (p + 1)(p - 1)[/itex], so [itex]p^2 - 1[/itex] is divisible by 8.

Petek
 
I meant it would be tedious the way I did it :) ... Referring to thomas430's question if a similar method could be used to prove it :)

Petek, that's great :) ... I didn't realize that LCM could be taken advantage of in that way :). In my defense, I was trying to explain how (p-1)/2 became (p^2-1)/8 (Legendre symbol stuff :))
 
Thanks to all of you for your discussion, you've helped a great deal!

Bingk and Petek, your proofs next to one another gave me great insight :-D
 

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