Do I need a function to show a bijection between intervals?

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Homework Help Overview

The original poster seeks to prove that the intervals [0,1) and (0,1] have the same cardinality. They inquire whether defining a function from [0,1) to (0,1] is necessary to establish a correspondence or if alternative methods exist.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss potential bijections, including simple mappings and piecewise functions. Questions arise about the validity of specific functions and their mappings between the intervals. Some participants suggest verifying the bijection through inverse functions and the conditions for surjectivity and injectivity.

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The discussion is active, with various approaches being explored. Some participants have offered hints and suggestions for constructing bijections, while others are clarifying their understanding of function definitions and the requirements for proving bijections.

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There are ongoing discussions about the correct syntax for piecewise functions and the implications of mapping specific points. Participants are also considering the constraints of the intervals involved and the definitions of the functions being proposed.

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Homework Statement



I need to prove that [0,1) and (0,1] have the same cardinality. My question is, do I have to define a function from [0,1) → (0,1] in order to show a correspondence or is there another method?


Thanks.
 
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There's actually a very simple bijection in this case. (Hint: most of the points can simply be mapped to themselves.)

More interesting is to find one between (0,1) and [0,1].
 
Would f(x)=1/1+x work? How would I find a bijection for the intervals you mentioned?
 
SMA_01 said:
Would f(x)=1/1+x work? How would I find a bijection for the intervals you mentioned?

No, f(x) = 1/1+x = 1 + x would not work, but f(x) = 1/(1+x) would be OK. Use brackets!

RGV
 
Oh yeah, that's what I meant :smile:

In regards to the interval (whether open or closed), how can I be sure that the function will works as a bijection?
 
SMA_01 said:
Oh yeah, that's what I meant :smile:

In regards to the interval (whether open or closed), how can I be sure that the function will works as a bijection?

If you can find an inverse function, then it's a bijection. To do that, put y = 1 / (1 + x) and try solving for x in terms of y.

There's also a much simpler solution if you consider the hint I mentioned above.

[edit] Wait a minute. Who says 1 / (1 + x) will work? It maps [0, 1) to (1/2, 1], not (0, 1]. You'll have to modify it slightly to get (0,1] as the image.
 
jbunniii- How did you know that 1/(1+x) maps [0,1) to (1/2,1] and not (0,1]?

And is the function you were hinting about f(x)=x+1?
 
SMA_01 said:
jbunniii- How did you know that 1/(1+x) maps [0,1) to (1/2,1] and not (0,1]?
If 0 <= x < 1, then 1 <= 1+x < 2, so 1/2 < 1/(1+x) <= 1.

And is the function you were hinting about f(x)=x+1?
If 0 <= x < 1, then 1 <= x+1 < 2, so that won't work. If you put change it slightly by putting a negative sign in the right place, it will work.
 
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I understand now, and the function you were referring to is f(x)=-x+1.

Thanks :)
 
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SMA_01 said:
I understand now, and the function you were referring to is f(x)=-x+1.

Thanks :)

Yep. Here's an even easier one, the one I was thinking of initially:

f(x) = \begin{cases}<br /> 1 &amp; \text{if }x = 0 \\<br /> x &amp; \text{if }x \neq 0<br /> \end{cases}<br />
By the way, if you want a challenge, I highly recommend trying to come up with a bijection between (0,1) and [0,1]. Hint: you know it can't be a continuous function because such a function would have to preserve open and closed sets.
 
  • #11
Cool, I didn't think of that. I am actually working on that now. I have to show that [0,1] has the same cardinality as (0,1).
I have a mapping:
0 to 1/2
1 to 1/3
1/2 to 1/4
etc.
So f(x)=1/2, if x=0
f(x)=1/(x+2), if x=1/n for positive integers n >= 1
and f(x)=x for all other x.
Is it correct syntax if I write it as a piece wise function?

f(x)={1/(x+2), if x is in N\cup{0}
x, for all other x
I'm not sure how to word that last part (f(x)=x).

Edit:
This seems cleaner:

f(x)={1/(x+2), for x in NU{0}
x, for x in ℝ\ NU{0}

Where N denotes the set of all positive integers.
That seems cleaner.
 
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  • #12
SMA_01 said:
Cool, I didn't think of that. I am actually working on that now. I have to show that [0,1] has the same cardinality as (0,1).
I have a mapping:
0 to 1/2
1 to 1/3
1/2 to 1/4
etc.
So f(x)=1/2, if x=0
f(x)=1/(x+2), if x=1/n for positive integers n >= 1
and f(x)=x for all other x.
Is it correct syntax if I write it as a piece wise function?
Careful with your formula. For example, if x = 1/3, your formula gives f(1/3) = 1/(1/3 + 2) = 1/(7/3) = 3/7, which is not what you want. Instead, you could write f(1/n) = 1/(n+2) for all n \in \mathbb{N}, f(0) = 1/2, and f(x) = x for all other x.

f(x)={1/(x+2), if x is in N\cup{0}
x, for all other x
I'm not sure how to word that last part (f(x)=x).
No, your "if x is in \mathbb{N} \cup \{0\}" is wrong. That set is \{0, 1, 2, 3, \ldots). But most of these points are outside your domain, which is [0,1]

Edit:
This seems cleaner:

f(x)={1/(x+2), for x in NU{0}
x, for x in ℝ\ NU{0}

Where N denotes the set of all positive integers.
That seems cleaner.
Similar problem here.
 
  • #13
I see my mistakes. If I use f(1/n) and f(x), then I wouldn't write it in the format used for piecewise functions?

Also, to show the bijection, would I need to go through proving surjectivity/injectivity?
 
  • #14
SMA_01 said:
I see my mistakes. If I use f(1/n) and f(x), then I wouldn't write it in the format used for piecewise functions?
I think you will still need a piecewise definition. It's hard to imagine a single formula working for all x. If you want to write it all in terms of f(x), you could put something like
<br /> f(x) = \begin{cases}<br /> \frac{1}{(1/x) + 2} &amp; \text{if }x = 1/n \text{ for some }n \in \mathbb{N} \\<br /> 1/2 &amp; \text{if }x = 0 \\<br /> x &amp; \text{otherwise}<br /> \end{cases}<br />
Also, to show the bijection, would I need to go through proving surjectivity/injectivity?
Yes, you should prove this. You could do this by showing that f has an inverse.
 
  • #15
Okay, I did it. I let g be the inverse of f, defined by:

g: (0,1)→[0,1]


g(x)= { 0, if x=1/2
\frac{1}{(1/x)-2} , if x=1/n for n\in N
x, for all other x

Then I would prove that it's an inverse by composing g\circf and f\circg

Does that look fine?

Thanks.
 
  • #16
It looks almost right, except the middle case is only valid for n >= 3. The first case handles n = 2. And n = 1 is outside the function's domain.
 
  • #17
Oh yeah, I had that written down but completely missed it. Thank you for all your help :smile:
 

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