Do moving electrons emit light?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around whether moving electrons emit light, exploring the relationship between electron motion, electromagnetic fields, and the nature of light. It touches on concepts from classical electromagnetism and quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that moving electrons create light due to the presence of electric and magnetic fields, seeking clarification on this idea.
  • Another participant counters that an electron must accelerate to emit electromagnetic waves, indicating that uniform motion does not produce light.
  • A follow-up question asks if changing electric and magnetic fields are necessary for light, and whether light must contain a charged particle to generate these fields.
  • It is noted that electromagnetic waves are self-sustaining, with changing electric fields generating magnetic fields and vice versa.
  • A participant emphasizes that the velocity of an electron must change to emit electromagnetic waves, referencing the principle of relativity regarding stationary electrons in different inertial frames.
  • Questions arise about whether electrons in atoms, which are in constant motion, emit electromagnetic waves, referencing historical models of atomic structure.
  • Another participant mentions that the classical model of electrons emitting waves leads to instability in atomic structure, which quantum mechanics addresses by modifying the atomic model.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions under which electrons emit light, with some asserting that acceleration is necessary while others explore implications of electron motion in atoms. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nature of light and the behavior of electrons.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about classical and quantum models of electrons and light, and the implications of these models on the understanding of electromagnetic radiation. There are unresolved questions about the behavior of electrons in different contexts.

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electron motion = light??

When an electron moves( or any charge particle moves) it creates a magnetic field around it according to biot-savarts law and ofcourse it creates an electric field around it.

So a moving electron creates light as both electric and magnetic field are present? Am i right? please correct me if I am not

Im very confused about light. It contains both electric and magnetic fields then it should contain a charged particle otherwise how these fields will be created
 
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Not quite. An electron has to accelerate to create EM waves (light). An electron which moves uniformly only has static E and B fields.
 


So for light we need changing E and B fields?

And please answer my second question : IF light contains both electric and magnetic fields then it should contain a charged particle otherwise how these fields will be created ?
 


jd12345 said:
So for light we need changing E and B fields?

And please answer my second question : IF light contains both electric and magnetic fields then it should contain a charged particle otherwise how these fields will be created ?

Electromagnetic waves are self-sustaining. Changing electric fields will generate magnetic fields and visa versa.
 


Not exactly, the velocity of electron must change, in order to do that. Otherwise shifting to another inertial reference frame, you would see stationary electrons emitting EM waves, which violates the principle of relativity
 


questions keep popping in my mind. Electrons are accelerating in an atom too right? Do they emit EM waves?
 


jd12345 said:
questions keep popping in my mind. Electrons are accelerating in an atom too right? Do they emit EM waves?

That's the problem of Rutherford's model, where electrons emit EM waves and collapse to the nucleus. Therefore, quantum mechanics, which later modified the model of atoms denied that would happen under scale of electrons and nucleons.
 

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