Do objects made of different matterials radiate at different rates?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the rate of heat radiation from objects made of different materials, particularly in the context of heat transfer and thermodynamics. Participants explore how various materials emit and absorb thermal radiation, especially after the sun sets, and consider the implications of temperature differences between objects and their surroundings.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether objects can lose heat through radiation at different rates, particularly when considering the second law of thermodynamics.
  • It is proposed that objects colder than their surroundings cannot radiate heat and instead absorb heat from hotter objects, referencing the Zeroth Law of Thermodynamics.
  • Others argue that some materials emit and absorb radiation more effectively than others, with emissivity playing a key role in this process.
  • A scenario is presented where a sidewalk, pavement, and air cool down after the sun sets, raising questions about whether they would cool at different rates.
  • Participants discuss the perception of heat from different surfaces, such as blacktop versus grass, suggesting that material properties influence heat retention and radiation.
  • One participant mentions an anecdote about freezing water in a thermos by pointing it at a cold night sky, illustrating the effects of emissivity and temperature differentials.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether objects can radiate heat when colder than their surroundings, with some asserting this is not possible while others challenge this notion. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views on the effects of material properties on heat radiation.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the Zeroth Law of Thermodynamics and emissivity, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the conditions under which objects radiate heat and the implications of temperature differentials.

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I have a question regarding heat transfer/ heat loss. When the sun goes down, let's say in December, is it possible that some objects lose heat (through radiation) at a quicker rate than other objects? If so, colder objects would lose heat, or emit radiation, to its surroundings (warming its surroundings). I doubt this is possible because I'm thinking it would violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
 
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Objects colder than ambient cannot radiate heat; they absorb heat from hotter objects. This is a consequence of the Zeroth Law of Thermodynamics.
 
Some objects emit and absorb more radiation than others. For visible light, those objects appear darker (as they are not hot enough to emit significant quantities of visible light). If you heat them up, they can appear brighter than other materials. For infrared radiation, it is the same - some objects cool down quicker than others, if they are hotter than the environment. If you shine IR radiation on them, they will heat quicker as well.
 
SteamKing said:
Objects colder than ambient cannot radiate heat; they absorb heat from hotter objects. This is a consequence of the Zeroth Law of Thermodynamics.
I think you have this wrong ! What about an object at the same temperature as ambient?
What would happen when the ambient cooled to below the object temperature... would the ambient cease to radiate and the object take over to radiate ! Think about the physics.
I think/hope that you are only confused about 'net' rate of heat transfer.
 
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SteamKing said:
Objects colder than ambient cannot radiate heat; they absorb heat from hotter objects. This is a consequence of the Zeroth Law of Thermodynamics.

So let's say the sun warmed a sidewalk abutting black pavement and the air surrounding it all. And then the sun goes down. Actually, for this scenario let's say the sun disappears. The pavement, sidewalk and air no longer have the warming energy of the sun and would then radiate (lose) thermal energy. I would imagine that the three objects radiate heat at different rates. Would that not mean one of the objects (sidewalk, pavement and air) would be cooler than the others? Or would all three objects have to cool down at the same rate?
 
Every material has a property called emissivity, this is determines how much energy it radiates. Yes it varies from material to material. Of course the temperature differential determines which way the energy goes.


A clear night sky has a very low temperature for radiation purposes. One of my profs claimed that if you took a good thermos jug put a little water in the bottom and pointed the opening at a dark (few stars) portion of sky, you could freeze the water, even on a warm summer night. I might take a while.
 
Lets say we are walking on grass field shortly after the sun goes down. We walk onto a blacktop asphalt surface. Do we perceive more heat coming off of the blacktop? Probably yes.

The grass field might not be the best example of material but you get the idea.
 

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