Do Transition Dipole Moments Have Different Signs? Resolving a Contradiction

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The discussion revolves around the properties of transition dipole moments, specifically whether they have different signs when transitioning between quantum states. Participants explore the implications of the symmetry or antisymmetry of the dipole operator and its parity characteristics, addressing theoretical aspects of quantum mechanics related to electric dipole transitions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the transition dipole moments from state 1 to state 2 and from state 2 to state 1 have different signs, proposing that mu_12 = -mu_21.
  • Another participant asserts that the electric dipole operator, represented as \vec r, has odd parity, which leads to zero transition dipole moments for non-degenerate states but allows for non-zero values for transitions between states of different parity.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the implications of the dipole operator's odd parity and questions whether non-degenerate states are always even, seeking clarification on the relationship between parity and the diagonal matrix elements of the dipole operator.
  • Further clarification is provided on the parity operation, explaining that it involves negating each Cartesian coordinate, which affects the dipole operator.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit some agreement on the properties of the dipole operator and its implications for transition dipole moments, but there remains uncertainty and confusion regarding the logic behind parity and its effects on the diagonal elements of the dipole operator.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the relationship between parity, the dipole operator, and the nature of quantum states, particularly regarding the assumptions about the parity of wave functions and the conditions under which transition dipole moments are non-zero.

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Hi,

Is dipole operator symmetric or antisimmetric? Or, in other words, do the transition dipole moments from state 1 to the state 2, and from the state 2 to the state 1 have different sign? I.e.

mu_12 = - mu_21.

As far as I understand, the diagonal elements for the dipole operator should be zero (since the transition dipole moments from state "n" to the same state "n" should ne zero). However, in this case the dipole moments of all excited states should be zeros! This does not look to be physical. How one can resolve this contradiction?

Thank you in advance.
 
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I assume you mean the electric dipole operator, which is [tex]\vec r[/tex].
This has odd parity, so that it is zero for any non-degenerate ground or excited state.
It is not zero for transitions from an excited state to a lower state of different parity.
In any event, mu_12=mu_21.
 
clem said:
I assume you mean the electric dipole operator, which is [tex]\vec r[/tex].
This has odd parity, so that it is zero for any non-degenerate ground or excited state.
It is not zero for transitions from an excited state to a lower state of different parity.
In any event, mu_12=mu_21.

Thank you for the answer. That what you say is an agreement with what I have. But I still does not understand the logic. You say that the dipole operator has odd party. I am not sure what exactly it means. Does it mean that the dipole operator is an odd function with respect to all Cartesian coordinates of the system? I also do not understand why in the case of the "odd parity" of the dipole operator the diagonal matrix elements should be zeros (for non-degenerate states)? Are wave-functions of non-degenerate states always even? If yes, why?

Thank you.
 
The "parity operation" is taking each Cartesian coordinate to its negative.
This changes [tex]\vec r[/tex] to [tex]-{\vec r}[/tex].
A non-degenerate eigenstate has either even or odd parity, but then [tex|\psi|^2[/tex] will always have even parity since (-1)*(-1)=+1.
 

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