Do types of electro magnetic radiation exist that we can not detect?

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The discussion revolves around the existence of electromagnetic radiation that may be undetectable by current technology, with a particular focus on whether black holes could emit such radiation. Participants explore theoretical implications and the nature of electromagnetic radiation in general.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if there are types of electromagnetic radiation that exist beyond our detection capabilities.
  • Another participant asserts that, as of now, no undetectable electromagnetic radiation has been confirmed.
  • A participant discusses the interaction of high-energy electromagnetic radiation, suggesting that while difficult to detect directly, the effects of such radiation can be observed through interactions with matter.
  • There is a mention of underground experiments aimed at detecting neutrinos, which are clarified to be distinct from electromagnetic radiation.
  • One participant argues that all types of electromagnetic radiation are arbitrary classifications, emphasizing that they are fundamentally the same phenomenon with varying energy levels.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of Hawking radiation in relation to black holes, suggesting that they may emit radiation at specific wavelengths.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of electromagnetic radiation and whether undetectable types exist. While some agree on the challenges of detection, there is no consensus on the implications for black holes or the classification of electromagnetic radiation.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the limitations of current detection technology and the potential for undetected radiation, but do not resolve the implications of these limitations or the definitions involved.

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Basically what I am wondering is if types of electro magnetic radiation exist that are on a wavelength or frequency that we can't detect with our technology?

My follow up question would be is it possible black holes give off that type of radiation? I suspect the answer I'll get from most people is nothing can be given off by black holes and to that I would say perhaps it works like hawking radiation.
 
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As of this posting, no undetectable electromagnetic radiation has been detected.
 
Phrak said:
As of this posting, no undetectable electromagnetic radiation has been detected.

:smile:
 
Phrak said:
As of this posting, no undetectable electromagnetic radiation has been detected.

/shiftyeyes...

From what I have read, generally speaking, the higher energy electromagnetic radiation interacts much less than lower energy radiation. Case in point are x-rays which will readily pass through our meatbag bodies with little scattering (outside of highly dense things like bones and errant surgical tools). So very very high energy radiation may be very difficult to detect due to the low incidence of interaction. However, generally when such high energy waves do interact, they do so in a rather spectacular fashion. Case in point, when you have yourself many many x-rays your DNA seems to have little hissy fits. Another example are the cosmic rays that interact in our atmosphere, they generally decompose into various particles like you would see in a particle accelerator. So while we may have a harder time detecting the radiation directly, we probably can easily perceive the consequences of their interaction with particles.
 
So is that what thouse underground experiments looking for dark energy do?
 
magpies said:
So is that what thouse underground experiments looking for dark energy do?

something to do with cosmic neutrinos and flavors, sounds like an ice cream parlor, hey! is that where the research money goes? new flavors of desert :D
 
Yeah, the underground experiments that I know of, apart from the various particle accelerators that are put underground, are for neutrino detections. I think I recall that Fermi Lab has an experiment in a Minnesota mine that detects neutrinos from their accelerator. That is, the accelerator emits neutrinos in Batavia, IL and they have plates of a battleship's worth of iron hundreds of miles away that the neutrinos hit and interact with.
 
1) Just so we're clear, neutrinos are not electromagnetic radiation. Different beast entirely.

2) There are no different types of electromagnetic radiation. All distinctions (x-ray, infrared, visible, gamma ray, radio, UV) are merely arbitrary distinctions created by humans. It would be like giving different names to a ball depending on how fast we throw it. Obviously, the ball is the same thing, just with a different amount of energy. EMR is analogous.

That said, like Bron2bwire mentions certain types of EMR are easier or harder for us to observe. So sure, perhaps we cannot detect emr with a wavelength of 1 light year. This does not imply it does not exist, nor does it imply that there is anything special about it.

As far as black holes are concerned, we can expect a stellar mass black hole to emit radiation with a wavelength on the scale of 10's of kilometers. For a SMBH, the characteristic wavelength of radiation is on the order of several AU. (Note this is hawking radiation, not radiation from an accretion disk.)
 

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