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The discussion centers on the unexpected persistence of Donald Trump's popularity in the lead-up to the Iowa caucus, with many questioning the reasons behind his support. Key points include the perception among conservatives that they feel marginalized and oppressed by the current political climate and media representation. Trump's appeal is attributed to his outsider status, charisma, and willingness to voice controversial opinions that resonate with voters frustrated by traditional politicians. Participants express concern that Trump's candidacy may undermine the GOP's image, likening the nomination process to a reality show. There is a recognition that Trump's rhetoric channels widespread anger and dissatisfaction, particularly regarding issues like immigration and economic decline. The conversation also touches on the broader political landscape, comparing Trump's rise to that of Bernie Sanders on the left, highlighting a growing discontent with the political establishment across the spectrum.
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gleem said:
Have you seen this video of Christy's reaction to Trump's victory speech?

Not sure what if he did the right thing in supporting Trump?
Would you have thought about Chris Christie today if he hadn't? Sounds to me like he scored.
 
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  • #302
gleem said:
Have you seen this video of Christy's reaction to Trump's victory speech?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/offbeat/chris-christies-facial-expressions-during-donald-trumps-speech-were-easily-the-best-part/ar-BBqdOF6?li=BBnbcA1

Not sure what if he did the right thing in supporting Trump?
Seems people in NJ are not too happy.
 
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Romney calling Trump 'phony,' urging Republicans to shun him
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/gop-sees-options-stopping-trump-not-good-ones-082019626--election.html

I sympathize with members of the GOP. What a mess.
 
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I was listening to the local radio today and shocked that the local DJ, a normally radical type, had nothing good to say about anyone, but never mentioned Clinton. Now I would have expected Clinton to be his #1 target. I don't care for him normally. hmmm

It was funny, he said Trump and Sanders were the same person and gave dozens of examples, except he said Sanders wouldn't be able to do the things he said. He basically said Cruz and Rubio were religious zealots and should be feared and gave examples. I found myself agreeing.
 
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Evo said:
I was listening to the local radio today and shocked that the local DJ, a normally radical type, had nothing good to say about anyone, but never mentioned Clinton. Now I would have expected Clinton to be his #1 target. I don't care for him normally. hmmm

It was funny, he said Trump and Sanders were the same person and gave dozens of examples, except he said Sanders wouldn't be able to do the things he said. He basically said Cruz and Rubio were religious zealots and should be feared and gave examples. I found myself agreeing.

Though I've yet to hear anything truly bad about John Kasich from either side...except that he has "no chance of winning."
 
  • #309
axmls said:
Though I've yet to hear anything truly bad about John Kasich from either side...except that he has "no chance of winning."
Probably because no one has heard of him.
 
  • #310
The Detroit Republican debate today was interesting. This is an email I sent to someone 22 mins into the debate:

Wow…. I like how Rubio is challenging Trump on his answers, saying he is not answering the questions (which is true). The insults continue, sadly.
 
  • #311
Evo said:
Probably because no one has heard of him.
Maybe because most are interested only in the spectacle, circus and not the substance.
 
  • #312
Astronuc said:
Romney calling Trump 'phony,' urging Republicans to shun him
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/gop-sees-options-stopping-trump-not-good-ones-082019626--election.html
...and yet not endorsing one of the other candidates? So, what was the point of that? Next stop for him must be Viagra commercials.
 
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Astronuc said:
Romney calling Trump 'phony,' urging Republicans to shun him
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/gop-sees-options-stopping-trump-not-good-ones-082019626--election.html

I sympathize with members of the GOP. What a mess.

TurtleMeister said:
Pretty good summation:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016...-about-restoring-american-exceptionalism.html

The American people are fed up. And now we're serving notice on both parties: We are beholden to no one -- Republican or Democrat -- and if we have to burn down the village to save village -- then burn, baby, burn.

So Romney and everyone else (including most people on this thread) attack Trump, and fail to address the wants of Trump supporters. I don't know how many they are, 30? 40? 50? 60? 70 million? Some say they include Democrats. The point is that this a huge fraction of the voting public, and they are sick of being ignored and called stupid. Turtlemeister's comment illustrates this. IMO, it is a grave political mistake to ignore them.

Why shouldn't Trump supporters say "burn, baby, burn" to the American political system, the American democracy system, and the American government?

When will other candidates, party leaders, and commentators (including those on this thread), forget Trump and start focusing on Trump supporters?
 
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  • #314
anorlunda said:
When will other candidates, party leaders, and commentators (including those on this thread), forget Trump and start focusing on Trump supporters?
Attacking voters even if they are not yours, is not a good strategy as a candidate.
 
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Greg Bernhardt said:
Attacking voters even if they are not yours, is not a good strategy as a candidate.

No, serving their interests is more what I had in mind.
 
  • #317
russ_watters said:
...and yet not endorsing one of the other candidates? So, what was the point of that? Next stop for him must be Viagra commercials.

That's a great question.

The blatant dishonesty and coordination of the attacks from groups that were not allies before (liberal media pundits + wall street executives + Bush era neocons for example) really makes you wonder what they're so afraid of and maybe is it the impending loss of a rigged system

That smarmy screed from John Oliver, back to back with this Romney nonsense really put the final nail in the coffin for me.

There's a parade of libs reposting the Oliver bit, where he uses mean-spirited "humor" to point out that Trump isn't self financing, but is accepting voluntary $7.00 donations from little old ladies as some kind of dig *against* Trump, in a political environment where Goldman Sachs is shoveling money to candidates in both parties to maintain the status quo. And somehow, it's the guy with the financial support of little old ladies who is corrupt? F.U., John Oliver.

And then, these supposedly pro-immigrant libs want to use the man's grandfather's foreign-sounding name against him?

Then we have 4 days of wall to wall coverage of TRUMP REFUSES TO DENY KKK ENDORSEMENT, immediately following Trump's explicit disavowal of David Duke.

At a certain point you just have to look at the circus and be like "you people left all your principles at the door, and you are slaves to a global corporate elite that feels threatened. At this point, I may just vote for Trump. I'm done with the establishment, and I think many people are with me.
 
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Rick21383 said:
The blatant dishonesty and coordination of the attacks from groups that were not allies before (liberal media pundits + wall street executives + Bush era neocons for example) really makes you wonder what they're so afraid of and maybe is it the impending loss of a rigged system

Perhaps it's because they all realize that this man who has support has advocated for more torture, the killing of the families of terrorists, has mocked the disabled and POWs, and may have the chance of being in charge of the U.S. nuclear arsenal while dealing with Russia and a nuclear North Korea? I don't know--I'd side with the other political party pretty fast to stop that.

How do you think Trump would have handled the Cuban Missile Crisis had he been in JFK's shoes?
 
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It was amazing that during yesterday's debate, Trump was asked to specifically respond to his company making clothing in China, Japan etc. He then went on a rant about how they devalue their currency. After that and he was finished, the moderator again asked to address what he specifically asked. And even then he didn't give a straight answer. I see a man who says 'I'm going to make America great again', but never how he is going to achieve that.

As for the US/Mexican wall, I have no clue how he is going to get the Mexican Government to pay for it. They haven't offered to pay for it, so how is that going to be achieved? Fine - you're going get a wall built, but how are you going to get the money?
 
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StevieTNZ said:
Fine - you're going get a wall built, but how are you going to get the money?
Withhold foreign aid?
 
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  • #322
axmls said:
How do you think Trump would have handled the Cuban Missile Crisis had he been in JFK's shoes?

I can only speculate and that would be stupid.

However, the prospect of Hillary being in charge of the U.S. nuclear arsenal is FAR more terrifying imo.
 
  • #323
Rick21383 said:
However, the prospect of Hillary being in charge of the U.S. nuclear arsenal is FAR more terrifying imo.
and why?
 
  • #324
Greg Bernhardt said:
and why?

She is a proven failure on foreign affairs. As Jim Webb put it, she has "been wrong on every decision since 9/11" and I tend to agree. She's incompetent and a liar.

Trump would be a gamble, I'm not denying that... and I'm not 100% sure yet if I'd be willing to actually vote for him but there is absolutely no way I would ever vote for Hillary. If it comes down to those 2, I will be forced to decide between Trump and not voting.
 
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  • #325
axmls said:
How do you think Trump would have handled the Cuban Missile Crisis had he been in JFK's shoes?

You are aware, are you not,
that Kruschev took the initiative and sent Kennedy a secret note asking basically "What're we going to do?" ?
To which Kennedy replied , rejecting the advice of the hawks in his cabinet.
They arranged for both leaders to save face - we removed missiles form Turkey and they from Cuba.
Here's an excerpt and you should read the whole thing at the link.
http://microsites.jfklibrary.org/cmc/oct26/doc4.html
Mr. President, we and you ought not now to pull on the ends of the rope in which you have tied the knot of war, because the more the two of us pull, the tighter that knot will be tied. And a moment may come when that knot will be tied so tight that even he who tied it will not have the strength to untie it, and then it will be necessary to cut that knot, and what that would mean is not for me to explain to you, because you yourself understand perfectly of what terrible forces our countries dispose.

Consequently, if there is no intention to tighten that knot and thereby to doom the world to the catastrophe of thermonuclear war, then let us not only relax the forces pulling on the ends of the rope, let us take measures to untie that knot. We are ready for this.
Great first hand account in George Ball's book "The Past Has Another Pattern" .

I could only guess what Trump would do.
Which do you think he would do - accept or reject such an invitation to negotiate a deal ?

I find his publicly stated attitude toward Putin somewhat comforting.
 
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  • #326
russ_watters said:
...and yet not endorsing one of the other candidates? So, what was the point of that? Next stop for him must be Viagra commercials.
To have his criticism of Trump taken seriously, as opposed to a hit job on the leader on behalf of an alternate.
 
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  • #327
StevieTNZ said:
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As for the US/Mexican wall, I have no clue how he is going to get the Mexican Government to pay for it. They haven't offered to pay for it, so how is that going to be achieved? Fine - you're going get a wall built, but how are you going to get the money?
Close the border to legal trade for 15 mins. Mexican economy is highly dependent on export to the US, several hundred billion dollars per year.
 
  • #328
jim hardy said:
You are aware, are you not,
that Kruschev took the initiative and sent Kennedy a secret note asking basically "What're we going to do?" ?
To which Kennedy replied , rejecting the advice of the hawks in his cabinet.
They arranged for both leaders to save face - we removed missiles form Turkey and they from Cuba.
Here's an excerpt and you should read the whole thing at the link.
http://microsites.jfklibrary.org/cmc/oct26/doc4.html

Great first hand account in George Ball's book "The Past Has Another Pattern" .

I could only guess what Trump would do.
Which do you think he would do - accept or reject such an invitation to negotiate a deal ?

I find his publicly stated attitude toward Putin somewhat comforting.

Thanks for the link; I'll be sure to take a look at it.
 
  • #329
axmls said:
How do you think Trump would have handled the Cuban Missile Crisis had he been in JFK's shoes?
Like Jim West
 
  • #330
Greg Bernhardt said:
Withhold foreign aid?
Yes, Vicente Fox might have looked that up first, some $40B/yr per wiki. The fence would be a one time expense, maybe as low as $6B to complete.
 
  • #331
StevieTNZ said:
As for the US/Mexican wall, I have no clue how he is going to get the Mexican Government to pay for it. They haven't offered to pay for it, so how is that going to be achieved? Fine - you're going get a wall built, but how are you going to get the money?

Perhaps Trumps means it more in the way of " you'll pay for it" by withdrawing US manufacturers from Mexico so some such economic maneuver.
 
  • #332
Greg Bernhardt said:
Withhold foreign aid?
That, to me, would sound like blackmail.
 
  • #333
gleem said:
Perhaps Trumps means it more in the way of " you'll pay for it" by withdrawing US manufacturers from Mexico so some such economic maneuver.
We never know, because he doesn't elaborate. He needs to start doing so.
 
  • #334
StevieTNZ said:
That, to me, would sound like blackmail.
You don't think we do it all the time?
 
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  • #335
Rick21383 said:
That's a great question.

The blatant dishonesty and coordination of the attacks from groups that were not allies before (liberal media pundits + wall street executives + Bush era neocons for example) really makes you wonder what they're so afraid of and maybe is it the impending loss of a rigged system

That smarmy screed from John Oliver, back to back with this Romney nonsense really put the final nail in the coffin for me.

There's a parade of libs reposting the Oliver bit, where he uses mean-spirited "humor" to point out that Trump isn't self financing, but is accepting voluntary $7.00 donations from little old ladies as some kind of dig *against* Trump, in a political environment where Goldman Sachs is shoveling money to candidates in both parties to maintain the status quo. And somehow, it's the guy with the financial support of little old ladies who is corrupt? F.U., John Oliver.

And then, these supposedly pro-immigrant libs want to use the man's grandfather's foreign-sounding name against him?

Then we have 4 days of wall to wall coverage of TRUMP REFUSES TO DENY KKK ENDORSEMENT, immediately following Trump's explicit disavowal of David Duke.

At a certain point you just have to look at the circus and be like "you people left all your principles at the door, and you are slaves to a global corporate elite that feels threatened. At this point, I may just vote for Trump. I'm done with the establishment, and I think many people are with me.

I think the point many have made, both here and elsewhere, is that, while the status quo is corrupt and needs to be changed, Trump is not much better than it, if better at all. BTW, John Kasich looked reasonable in the last debate.

And it doesn't seem right for you to accuse those who do not act in a way you agree with, of not having principles, or of acting in an unprincipled way.
 
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  • #336
gleem said:
Perhaps Trumps means it more in the way of " you'll pay for it" by withdrawing US manufacturers from Mexico so some such economic maneuver.
How could he or anyone force manufacturers to leave Mexico or any other country?
 
  • #337
anorlunda said:
So Romney and everyone else (including most people on this thread) attack Trump, and fail to address the wants of Trump supporters. I don't know how many they are, 30? 40? 50? 60? 70 million? Some say they include Democrats. The point is that this a huge fraction of the voting public, and they are sick of being ignored and called stupid. Turtlemeister's comment illustrates this. IMO, it is a grave political mistake to ignore them.

Why shouldn't Trump supporters say "burn, baby, burn" to the American political system, the American democracy system, and the American government?

<Snip>

Maybe find something more constructive than just saying "Destroy it All" and propose solutions?
 
  • #338
WWGD said:
How could he or anyone force manufacturers to leave Mexico or any other country?
With punitive tariffs and taxes.
 
  • #339
Dotini said:
With punitive tariffs and taxes.
How likely are those laws of passing, given the amount of commerce with Mexico? Would senators from states doing business with Mexico go along?
 
  • #340
WWGD said:
How likely are those laws of passing, given the amount of commerce with Mexico? Would senators from states doing business with Mexico go along?
Yeah, good question. I cannot calculate it. I suppose it would depend upon the magnitude of economic distress of the voters in each particular state, when the legislators are up for reelection, and so forth.
 
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