Do you need to use the quadratic formula to solve for the unkown?

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The discussion revolves around solving the quadratic equation of the form Ax + Bx² + C = 0. Participants explore alternative approaches to using the quadratic formula, particularly through factoring and manipulation of the equation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the validity of manipulating the equation into the form x(A + Bx) = -C and question whether this leads to correct solutions. There is exploration of the implications of setting C to zero and the conditions under which the original equation can be simplified.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active with various interpretations being explored. Some participants provide guidance on the implications of factoring and the necessity of obtaining two solutions from the quadratic formula. There is recognition of the limitations of certain approaches, particularly when C is not zero.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original equation's structure and the values of constants, such as C, significantly affect the methods available for solving it. There is an ongoing examination of assumptions regarding the relationships between the variables involved.

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Homework Statement


Lets say you have Ax + Bx^2 + C = 0

Usually I would use the Quadratic formula in this situation.

But what if you do this
x( A + Bx ) + C = 0
x( A + Bx ) = -C

Couldn't you then say
x = -C
and
A + Bx = -C
x = (-C - A) / B

?
 
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yougene said:

Homework Statement


Lets say you have Ax + Bx^2 + C = 0

Usually I would use the Quadratic formula in this situation.

But what if you do this
x( A + Bx ) + C = 0
x( A + Bx ) = -C

Couldn't you then say
x = -C
and
A + Bx = -C
x = (-C - A) / B

?

Well you could say that, but it won't be correct. If you sub x=-C you will get

-C(A-BC) = -AC+BC2

and that is not the right side of the equation in red.
 
No. Factoring takes advantage of the property that if ab=0, then either a=0 or b =0. Furthermore, your answers don't solve the quadratic. Just plug them in.
 
And to extend what Random Variable said, if you had ab = 1, then all you know about a and b is that they are reciprocals of one another. They could be 1 and 1, -1 and -1, 2 and 1/2, \sqrt{2} and 1/\sqrt{2}, or any other of an infinite number of pairs of numbers that multiply to 1.
 
Thanks, this is all coming back now. :P

So then my equation would work only if C = 0.


@Mark44

So if my C = -1 then saying
Ax^2 + Bx = 1
would be a valid way to solve the equation?

Or are you saying
Ax^2 + Bx + C = 1
would be valid to solve for?
 
yougene said:
Couldn't you then say
x = -C
and
A + Bx = -C

No. Why do you think that? All that is telling you is that x and (A+Bx) are always -C when multiplied together if x is a solution to the quadratic formula. That doesn't tell you anything about what x actually is. Remember, the quadratic formula has 2 solutions so you have to get 2 numbers out of it for x.
 
yougene said:
So then my equation would work only if C = 0.

I believe that would be correct. If you had
x (A+Bx) = 0

then either (x) or (A+Bx) must be zero, or both. The two solutions would be
x =0 and
x=-A/B
 

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